Annoyed and I want to complain...

[MrsTerryPratchett]

I was presenting today to some new Syrian immigrants (I live in Canada). Two days on tendencies, renting here and how to avoid problems. It was all going pretty well; one day done. Day two and I'm just starting to talk about the law surrounding tenancies. When I am interrupted, rudely. Not by one of the Syrian refugees, but by one of the male housekeeping staff in the hotel they are staying in. He wanted to give some 'helpful' advice.

Now, I don't like to blow my own... but I'm a pretty good facilitator and I know a shit load about tenancy law. More, it was quite obvious, than he did.

Why did he feel the need to interrupt? There was a fucking PowerPoint FFS. It was clearly not just a chat. And part of me is also pissed off because the Syrians were sitting men in the front row and women in the back (mostly) but were listening to and engaging with me and my colleague, both women. This is part of their introduction to Canada and Canadian culture and some dingbat chose to behave as if a brief mansplain is more important than anything I have to say.

Am I right to be so annoyed?

Mansplain is a really nasty and sexist act.

This. It's a frequently used way of undermining and belittling women. You would definitely be justified in complaining.

Mrs TP, I would definitely complain, housekeeping staff should not be interrupting anyone's presentations in a hotel environment. So unprofessional.
The fact it was a mansplainer makes it all the more irritatiating, especially given the context, but you'd be justified in complaining whoever it was.

That's anecdote

You're a teacher? Are you sure?

booklooker and others

I teach in an otherwise lovely school, and yet the attitude of the management level is appalling They are all female. The interrupt bit has got to the point where one of our councillors left the school, we miss her badly.

This has a separate term, managersplaining: twitter.com/haverdal76/status/713592093571088384

You are absolutely correct that this phenomenon is not specific to men. When it is carried out by a man, interrupting a woman who is more informed than he is, then it is mansplaining. If a manager is interrupting someone more junior, then it is managersplaining.

HTH

Thank you erinaceous

And thank you also to AyeAmarok , You're a teacher? Are you sure?

I know!! I can hardly believe it myself. I am constantly having to pinch myself to remind myself how lucky I am to I have had one of the best jobs in the world over the last 30 years.

I hope you find yours as satisfying

I do, thank you.

But I'm surprised to see that a teacher of 30 years experience refers to something that happened to someone as just being an "anecdote", when that person was simply stating something that had happened to them which is a perfect example of the thing this thread is talking about. She wasn't saying it's a scientifically proven fact that all men do this. Yet you are desperate to dismiss that it is a "thing", despite us telling you otherwise, and we'd (women) know, because it happens to us.

I feel for the young women whose minds you have influence over.

If someone said that domestic violence is something that often leaves women with bad injuries, and then someone posted their own story about how their husband battered them, would you also dismiss that as being an anecdote and not something that is an issue in society?

To go back to the supposed need for the NAMALT rider...

The general consensus here is that most people who post or lurk are intelligent enough to understand that we know that NAMALT. Most of us, after all have husbands, fathers, sons, friends etc who are in our lives by choice, so it's patently obvious that NAMALT. Sadly EMALT to make mansplaining an actual thing and not, as some men imagine, a sexist term against men. What with sexism against men being an imaginary beast; along the lines of unicorns and men with their faces in their chests, unless within the somewhat fevered and not terribly wide imagination of some of the proponents of anti-feminism/MRE/MGTOW cults.

What isn't imaginary is the way that some men, when faced with the consequences of their ridiculous standpoint are unable to apologise to the women they deliberately insulted, and feel compelled to continue to merail a thread in order to appease their misplaced sense of importance.

What isn't imaginary is the way that some men, when faced with the consequences of their ridiculous standpoint are unable to apologise to the women they deliberately insulted, and feel compelled to continue to merail a thread in order to appease their misplaced sense of importance.

Quite!

merail.

I haven't heard that before. I like it. I will use it on other threads and pretend that I came up with it (purely to demonstrate my own awesomeness of course).

Oh, I didn't come up with it either, and use it in the exact same way kidnapped

Buffy

Does one assume that the manager is explaining something to their junior because the manager assumes that they will know more than said junior?

I cannot speak for others. I make no assumptions; I am but amanuensis.

If you would be so kind, would you recommend an introductory resource about research methodology, please? In particular qualitative research methodology, which has its own apparently impenetrable lexicon.

For context, I can only infer from the years I have lurked on this board where you are going with this, and had to Google epistemic.

*an amanuensis.

"That's anecdote" -- In response to someone who has just stated they are an expert in research methodology (hence might reasonable be expected to know the problems with anecdotal evidence!).

I have to say, this is certainly a wonderfully terse example of the inability of some males to admit that a female might know anything.....

I think in academia (see, a very female-specific mode there, putting that 'I think' in rather than just stating my opinion or observation as if it were instead a truth universally acknowledged :-) ) the situation is complicated because males tend to talk as if they know everything to everyone just that with higher-ranking males they will eventually defer and admit that perhaps the chap who wrote the book might know slightly more than him. But they seem to find it very hard, if not impossible, to ever 'defer' to females and admit they know anything at all. Whereas females tend to defer too much, and are sometimes reluctant to admit they know anything! Which makes teaching interesting.........................