Ched Evans wins appeal

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Sorry I can't link but it's on the BBC site.

JenLindley no it isn't. A journalist doing the same thing would be heavily criticised.

Thanks ethelb. I wonder why there were no charges pressed against Ryan Roberts.

Totally agree Jen - the rapist's sexual history never gets a mention in court, but it would actually be relevant, unlike the victim's.

There are only 12 of them. But hopefully enough of them can see through the bullshit about her sexual history and assess the facts of what happened that night

Sorry, I meant this jury and the last one. It's hard enough to get one jury to come back with a guilty verdict in a rape.case, so im just not holding out much hope for a second jury to do the same.

I'd be more interested in hearing CE's sexual history tbh. It has more relevance to this case than the victim's.

Damn right, Jen. good Very good point.

In fact, it's strange that this is never discussed.

According to this he would have needed to present further new evidence to the criminal cases review commission, as what we heard today had already been part of a previous unsuccessful appeal.

In order to refer a case for appeal, the Commission usually has to identify new evidence or a new legal argument that makes the case look significantly different. This evidence or argument must not have been considered at the time of the trial, at the initial appeal, or in an earlier application to the Commission. Again, there is an "exceptional circumstances" caveat that allows the Commission to refer cases with no new evidence or argument, but such instances are extremely rare

I don't think it was subject to previous appeal charlie. The new evidence is the repetition of "fuck me harder" not the blackouts.

Ah right. Got it. And he didn't say that in his first statement, only later.

If it's the same guy.
My impression is ched has explored a few avenues in his quest to overturn his conviction

I think they're hoping to imply that having sex two weeks later shows she isn't a 'proper' rape victim.

Yes, I've seen that suggested, would a rape victim have sex (and enjoy it, no less) just two weeks after such a traumatic event? There is a mysterious minimum period that a good and proper rape victim would wait, obviously. I'm so confused about why this is relevant. What is he saying she is lying about? And what weight does his testimony hold anyway? Does she get a chance to respond to this?

The brother's LinkedIn page suggested he graduated last year. I really, really hope he has matured since then, I'm horrified at the idea of such a misogynist being in a position of responsibility.

I've made the mistake of getting involved on Twitter over this and now I regret it. It's to late to deal with rape apologists.

I daren't look at twitter. I'm astonished at what people spout even when the facts suggest the exact opposite.

Yeah it's not great. Apparently things the victim has said and done during sex on other occasions is relevant to what happened that night as it shows a level of control and awareness. I despair.

Oh god is Steve Brookstein (he of fleeting x factor fame and now apparently professional misogynist) on the loose on Twitter agsin? I remember him being very defensive of Ched last time around, to a strange extent.

Yes. He is a truly vile man isn't he? Almost troll-like.

I don't understand how his girlfriend stayed with him ?!
He told police that 'threesomes were not unusual ' and he sound horrendous! She stayed and haven't they got a child now?!

I don't get it either, and didn't her father help fund his case in some way? It's odd. Surely most parents would have told her to get rid of him and let him fight his case on his own. Guilty or not I wouldn't want my dd's to stay with someone who clearly has such little respect for women.

He's evidently as much of a misogynist as his son in law. And if that's what his daughter grew up around...

Her father is very odd. It is the celebrity factor for them. I cannot understand the girlfriend wanting to parade around with him everyday into a courtroom listening to how he slept with a girl who was having sex with another man, he crept in after, he never spoke to, he left in bed sick after two men used her and fled out the fire escape after the friends had a good laugh filming her. He rented the room for this purpose (he could and did stay at him mothers home).

So, so weird that she stayed with him. Had a baby with him and wants to marry him. Surely there is more to life than that lifestyle.

It's not like he was a top footballer either. I think the side he was playing for at the time were in League 1 (so third tier), still okay-ish money but... Surely money isn't everything?? Her self esteem must be rock bottom. I kind of feel sorry for her in a way, but not as sorry as i feel for the victim. God only knows what this will do to her if he gets acquitted.

I thought Natasha's family were already fairly well off (isnt her dad some sort of big cheese around Chester or something?) so I don't think it's about the money. It's probably more to do with pride at this point, like 'he could hVe any woman he wants (gah) and hr has chosen me?' type thing?

Having watched that video he made when he was released from prison, he comes across as not the sharpest tool in the box (ie. Dull and thick as shit).

But what the actual fuck her dad is thinking i do not know. Most father's would be like 'dont ever come near my daughter agsin or I'll deck you you cunt'. But Mr Massey not only appears to approve of the continuing relationship but is spending thousands of pounds trying get this man, who treated his own daughter so fucking appallingly, acquitted.

It's fucked up big time.

Did she go to court yesterday? The pics I saw were of CE alone walking into court - they might have cropped her out but they seemed to suggest he was on his own yesterday as he walked to court.

Having watched that video he made when he was released from prison, he comes across as not the sharpest tool in the box (ie. Dull and thick as shit)

That's what got me with the "could get any girl " line. He's deluded. He's not by any stretch a good looking man and he has the personality of a decomposing kebab. He looks as thick as 2 short planks, and in a nasty, brutish sort of way. I really hope that comment damns him with any woman on the jury who thinks "no, in your dreams mate"

Maybe today the court will hear scientific evidence about the blood tests carried out on the complainant's specimens and various expert opinion about that

Still keeping the faith, Cadno. How gallant of you.

It's an interesting double standard with regard to why we (still, despite reform in this area) hear about the victim's sexual history and not the accused's, isn't it? To hear about his sexual history would be prejudicial, but to hear about hers is relevant. Men have sexual agency, women still really don't. Sex is whatever men say it is.

Yes, I thought today's evidence might be some more 'expert opinion' on blood tests or something to prove she wasn't that drunk etc. There was similar at the last trial I think wasn't there?