Ched Evans wins appeal

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Sorry I can't link but it's on the BBC site.

I wonder if the grounds for the re-trial is CE being able to put his case to the jury more clearly that he believed that he had the complainant's consent

'I wish I'd answered the questions differently now I've seen the outcome' isn't really grounds for going through it all again though is it. And that reward for evidence to assist with his acquittal might just have well have said 'has anyone got any dirt on [victim]', what an absolutely vile way to behave.

I have wondered if there's a social media post about to be 'revealed'.

That's what I'm expecting too Liney.

Didn't some ex-fireman with a vendetta against women or rape victims hack her social media account? Or something like that? Or pretended he did and photoshopped a screenshot. I have a very, very vague memory of something along these lines.

From the link above:
Evans replied: “In the room, she was not all over the place. In the CCTV, you can see she was drunk, but she wasn’t behaving like that in the room.”

This is baffling me. He entered the room while she was on a bed and being penetrated by another man. In the space of a few seconds Evans penetrated her. Where on earth was there time for him to tell she wasn't all over the place or drunk? She barely had time to scratch her nose between him entering the room and putting his penis inside her. How could he have adequately assessed her level of intoxication?

Has he been cross-examined on that by the prosecution yet?

He was being cross examined this afternoon, I think the last thing I read was that bit about her being different in the room than on cctv. He'd been asked about sneaking out the fire escape and the fact that he went into the room and had sex with her and at no point knew her name.

He's a fucking idiot. All that bollocks about how he realised he was cheating on his GF when McDonald left the room. Yeah right, of course, he had a fit of conscience. Ugh.

If he wasn't such a disgusting pervert, I'd probably feel sorry for him. He's so thick!

I had wondered, given the grounds for the retrial seem to be a big secret, whether it was something to do with with an alleged lack of capacity to understand the previous process and proceedings.

Suppose that's why you have 12 jurors to ponder on the range of human behaviours.

Eek a pervert !!

Lin That really wouldn't have warranted the conviction being quashed by the CoA. There is something more - something worth £50,000.

I caught a quite on the news...

"I was being childish".

Fucking disgrace - childish?! Totally the wrong adjective. He was being a rapist.

There is something more - something worth £50,000.

Do we know that £50,000 was paid to anyone?

Jen No we don't, but the prosecutor brings it up in his evidence - Begs the question, why ?

This is baffling me. He entered the room while she was on a bed and being penetrated by another man. In the space of a few seconds Evans penetrated her. Where on earth was there time for him to tell she wasn't all over the place or drunk? She barely had time to scratch her nose between him entering the room and putting his penis inside her. How could he have adequately assessed her level of intoxication?

This is it for me - how could he, how could anyone, possibly have 'reasonable belief' in her consent given the timescales and circumstances that he described.

And yes, the whole enjoying herself/changing positions herself/saying fuck me harder, just doesn't tally with CM describing her as 'sick' to the receptionist.

Yes, I am expecting some sort of Hollywood 'big reveal' of some kind of evidence in the next few days.

What really annoys me is he doesn't get resentenced if found guilty. It seems so unfair to put the victim through all this again and I wish that could be taken into account in sentencing

And yes, the whole enjoying herself/changing positions herself/saying fuck me harder, just doesn't tally with CM describing her as 'sick' to the receptionist

It really doesn't. He wasn't in that room very long at all. If someone goes from sober enough to consent, up for sex, changing positions, enjoying themselves to "sick enough to inform reception she needs watching" in such a short space of time then they are worryingly sick. That's not just drunk sick. That's something wrong sick. That's the kind of sick you think "oh shit, should I call for a doctor" .

how could he, how could anyone, possibly have 'reasonable belief' in her consent given the timescales and circumstances that he described

Well the first jury didn't believe he could have, they convicted him based upon his own testimony didn't they? And no one else was there, no one else now knows anything they didn't know then. But someone remembered something relevant when £50k was on offer? Course they did.

If he gets off as a result of this retrial then there is something seriously wrong with the system.

I suspect there may be a social media post from a teenager trying to minimise what might have happened to someone.

Or some made up stuff.

But wouldn't that have come up before Liney, or do you mean since he was convicted?

Charlie if they've fabricated something, there's always a 'perverting the course of justice' charge, that they can call their vey own. It always gets you an immediate custodial sentence.

I think when CM described her as 'sick' he meant she was really drunk and possibly looked like she might vomit. I think he probably thought he was being a right gent 'looking out' for her like that. Fucking fucker.

I think he probably thought he was being a right gent 'looking out' for her like that.

Or a guilty conscience trying to cleanse itself.