Ched Evans wins appeal

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Sorry I can't link but it's on the BBC site.

Isit - this is pure speculation given that we don't know why the jury convicted Evans but acquitted McDonald, but there are a lot more grounds to believe not that the victim was able to consent to CM, but that he mistakenly had reasonable belief that she did as she freely agreed to go to the hotel with him (which is itself an assumption based on rape myths). The victim did not invite CE to come to the hotel room, the defendants in that trial have never claimed that. They know full well how predatory they were. So CE does not have the same grounds for reasonable belief in consent with a drunk person who did not ask for him to be there.

The whole case is horrible. I still cannot get over the fact Natasha stayed with him, proceeded to have baby with him, is parading around with him after what he did. Clayton I feel isn't a saint but did hook up with her in a natural enough way. Ched muscled in and had sex with her - its just awful.

I also love the way he's talking about being able to get any woman he wants and women throwing themselves at him in the present tense. Bet Natasha is enjoying that.

Clayton I feel isn't a saint but did hook up with her in a natural enough way

but then he messaged his mates to come and join in. And opened the curtains so the two outside could watch. It makes me feel sick. And rage.

Sorry, just reading the Wales Online link, they mean the original testimony, not now.

Ugh.. He is disgusting Charlie

She wasn't holding hands with him this morning though. I can't believe she has so little self respect she would stay with him after what he did admit to. And what the hell is her father thinking of defending him.

Huh, well, it was '20 mins of action' according to Brock Turner's dad. Families/friends normalise and victim-blame.

God yes, that was a horrific case, category, and if he hadn't been caught by those other students he'd probably have got away with it. As for his father ... I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Girls love this mindset smacks of a certain TOTPs presenter. Creep.

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Is it just me or does this article it reflect well on either of the men at all? I don't understand how anyone can support them, the witness statements are pretty damning.

*not reflect

It focuses far too much on her for my liking. The stuff about the drugs seems completely irrelevant

Totally agree.

The quote about one of the men asking for a blow job is vile. The way some men treat women is disgusting poor girl having to relive it all again.

The blowjob thing was only reported in one media outlet that I saw.

Overheard by the receptionist listening outside the door:

Male voice: "Are you going to suck my cock or what?"

No reply.

Male voice: "No?"

Why didn't she answer? Was it because she was incredibly drunk, and as the taxi driver reported "vacant behind the eyes" and the hotel receptionist said "not really aware of him" - so - how is she capable of consent?

The whole thing is predatory men, getting a girl back to a fucking premier inn hotel room, and treating her like a fuck toy, whilst filming through the window. She doesn't get any real say about who comes into the room and fucks her - then pisses off down the fire escape - after all - all girls love a footballer, they can have any girl they like.

Sickening.

Surely the sexual history thing can't be the 'fresh evidence'? After all CE didn't know her history at the time he penetrated her so it's completely irrelevant.

-Turns around taxi after getting a text that his mate had 'got a bird'

-Lies to get a room key and enters uninvited by the woman in there.

-Literally a few seconds later puts his dick in her into someone who a couple of minutes later is described by the other person in the room as 'sick'.

'Are you gonna suck this cock or what?' No answer. 'No?'

Mid apparently enthusiastic 'shag', despite all his efforts to get into that room for some 'action', stops and legs it out the fire escape.

Yep, a perfectly normal evening of great sex between two consenting adults.

FOR FUCKS SAKE!

I cannot see the point of the re-trial. If he is convicted he cannot get a more sever sentence than first time. That was five years, half in custody and half on licence. He has served the custody and most of the licence. So he will not be going back to prison, come what may, and probation will probably not lean on him very heavily for the last few months of his licence time; he must have been observing the terms of his licence before or they would have been down on him like a ton of bricks. The fact that other people made the complainant's name public is not to be laid at his door.

Hit Post too soon.

And she will have been put through it all again and some swine somewhere will doubtless make her identity public again, and you can't get the toothpaste back in the tube. It would have been better if the CPS had not applied for a re-trial.

It was Ched Evans that wanted the retrial. He is the one who took it to the,Court of Appeal.

I don't see what the CPS have done wrong here by wanting someone who they consider to be a rapist to have to continue to suffer the (apparently very few) consequences of being a rapist.

The same swine as has been publishing her name and address all along has had one of his wordpress accounts shut down... finally.

However, he is still free to name her on Twitter and Facebook and he does. He does it with complete immunity as well, the Gardai are simply not interested in pursuing him or his caravan. Because he knows this, he keeps it just on the Ireland side of the border.

He won't be happy until she's killed herself imo.

I'm just catching up with this.

So there was an appeal and now a retrial is taking place?! How awful for the victim.

No AyeAmarok Evans appealed and succeeded. When that happens there is not automatically a retrial. It is for the CPS to decide whether or not to apply for a retrial - and for the Court of Appeal to decide whether or not to grant it.

The further consequences to Evans if he is convicted ( a few more months on licence) are so minor that I don't think the game is worth the candle.

And if he is acquitted there is a substantial possibility that the Crown will have to meet his costs.

I guess the CPS think that the new evidence isnt enough to prove he didn't rape her, hence the retrial? If they had just quashed the conviction and not had a retrial, then someone who hadnt been proved beyond reasonable doubt to not be a rapist may have got away with rape, and the whole point of the CPS is to ensure that criminals are brought to justice.

Not worth it because he won't get further punishment isnt the point is it?

So you think the CPS and society should have just shrugged and said "oh cool, he's not a rapist anymore", when they (and most people with a brain) can see that he is?

It's a matter of principle. For both his victim, other rape victims and wider society. Nothing to do with the fact he's already served his jail time.

There was something which apparently made his conviction 'unsafe'. I assume evidence not taken into consideration which may have changed the outcome. Or not. So now the poor woman has to go through the whole thing again.