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Should she have worn a dress?

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LunaMay · 02/03/2016 06:44

I know im a bit late and sorry if this has been asked but....

Just that really? Why does making 'an effort' automatically mean wearing a dress anyway? I love her jacket..

thefix.ninemsn.com.au/2016/03/02/15/03/jesinta-campbell-clashes-with-reporter-who-says-mad-max-oscar-winner-should-put-on-a-dress

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MrsJayy · 02/03/2016 09:51

What is a lounge suit anybody know

WomanWithAltitude · 02/03/2016 09:52

A normal suit I think. The kind men wear to work.

squashtastic · 02/03/2016 09:52

Not showing up to pick up your Oscar isn't the done thing unless you have a reason, and they usually have someone pick it up for you and hen explain why you can't be there.

You don't just say, 'nah, don't fancy it' on the morning.

Be a pretty good way of fucking your career I imagine.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 02/03/2016 09:55

I certainly hope the people not clapping didn't realise who she was - unbelievably rude otherwise.

Hovis2001 · 02/03/2016 09:59

www.debretts.com/british-etiquette/british-behaviour/h/dress-codes/lounge-suits

Apparently!

For me a lounge suit is subtly different from what you'd call 'business attire' - if I were a man and a stickler for formal convention then I wouldn't wear a sharp pinstripe if the dress code said lounge suit. But I also wouldn't wear tweed, as that's country attire.

But what the heck is the woman's equivalent of something halfway between pinstripes and tweed?!

(Of course a woman could wear a suit, but in my experience women's suits don't seem to be available in quite the same range of 'tones' if that makes any sense...)

tribpot · 02/03/2016 10:09

Surely the nominees can wear anything they want? Pharrel turned up in shorts when he was nominated for 'Happy' (this year he went for capri pants). The evening is about celebrating professional achievement, it's not a party. And none of her fellow nominees were thinking 'well she's bagged the Oscar but I've got a great outfit on'.

BarefootAcrossHotLegoPieces · 02/03/2016 10:10

Bjork wore a swan once, FFS. That was weird!

MrsJayy · 02/03/2016 10:21

Thats true once a swan is worn then anything including a leather jacket goes

JeanneDeMontbaston · 02/03/2016 10:24

Given what her job is, I'm fairly sure she knows how to dress as she likes.

I agree with lass she must have been expecting attention - but don't see that this is a bad thing. She's started a big debate about whether or not it's appropriate for women be judged on their clothes and I applaud her for that.

I think sneering at her for being attention seeking is missing the point, as assuming she just couldn't be bothered.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 02/03/2016 10:25

It was quite a formal swan though.

MrsJayy · 02/03/2016 10:27

Hollywood is image obsessed they all shout out who are you wearing on the red carpet when I think about it it is really shallow

MrsJayy · 02/03/2016 10:29

Yeah a designer made the swan no off the rail swans allowed

Kidnapped · 02/03/2016 10:33

But tribpot, what on earth are you thinking? Are you suggesting that there might be double standards at play here?

I am going off to search for the thread about how Pharrell should have dressed smarter and more suited to the occasion. And how unclean he looks. And how self-indulgent and show-offy he is. And how he should have respected the dress code if he wanted to go. And if he had turned up dressed how he wanted, he should have been turned away.

I might be some time.

tribpot · 02/03/2016 10:50

On a slightly more uplifting note, I really like the #AskHerMore campaign encouraging less mindless questioning on the red carpet. Obviously J-Law handled this the best after she won her Oscar when she was asked what her 'process' was for getting ready and she was like 'I had a shower. I put on the dress. It fit. I went to the Oscars'. Hilarious.

PalmerViolet · 02/03/2016 10:53

She herself has stated that she had actually dressed up for the evening.

Of course she was going to get attention, winning a major award for doing your job really well is probably the very definition of getting attention, isn't it?

Looking down your nose at someone for dressing in a way they find comfortable when it it them that is being honoured and not you looks abit like sour grapes. The men who didn't clap should be heartily ashamed of themselves.

MrsJayy · 02/03/2016 10:54

Jennifer lawrence is hilarious I love her.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 02/03/2016 11:10

I can't believe that this is such a contentious story in today's society - of course she should wear what the hell she wants. As long as it isn't offensive (e.g. Nazi fancy dress!) then go for it. The winging about showing a bit of respect for the others there is a non starter considering their lack of respect for her. She is being recognised for her talent FFS.

I noticed on the short clip of her making her way to the podium that the few people who were clapping were women.

UnDeuxTroisCatsSank · 02/03/2016 11:52

She should wear what she wants.
Who cares?
She is very talented, has won the top award in her field, what does it matter what she wears / did not respect the dress code?

Let her alone.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 02/03/2016 14:37

I agree with lass she must have been expecting attention - but don't see that this is a bad thing. She's started a big debate about whether or not it's appropriate for women be judged on their clothes and I applaud her for that

Men do get judged on their clothes. I have seen criticism of men who mess up the black tie code.

If you are seeking attention you can't really complain if it the reaction is negative; or if you choose to decide to make a stand at an event which is intended to be glamourous and glitzy that some are not impressed.

Anniegetyourgun · 02/03/2016 16:07

Am loving comments re designer swans. I had to google to see what you are talking about and note that Bjork appeared not to have brushed her hair either. But no doubt everyone would assume in her case that it had been artfully styled to look unbrushed.

MrsJayy · 02/03/2016 16:13

Yes I'm sure they were looking at swan lady's hair

WomanWithAltitude · 02/03/2016 16:14

I didn't realise men had turned up in shorts!

Shorts, even smart ones, are not black tie. If shorts are ok, a leather jacket is also ok.

OnlyLovers · 02/03/2016 16:15

If she'd worn a posh frock, I'd bet my bottom dollar the press would have been all over her for being 'overweight' and 'mutton dressed as lamb'.

And yes, she probably wouldn't have turned up in couture because she almost certainly doesn't earn anything like those in more high-profile positions; and if she'd worn a 'normal' dress from a shop, again it would have been pored over and critiqued to high heaven (I can imagine words like 'cheap' and 'high-street' – as a pejorative –being bandied about).

Those arseholes like the overrated Inarritu not clapping and sitting there with cat's-bum faces ought to be ashamed of themselves.

WomanWithAltitude · 02/03/2016 16:19

I don't think she is complaining is she? I doubt she gives a rat's arse what people think, and more power to her.

It doesn't matter what a woman wears to a do like that, the fashion police will be criticising and judging regardless. Magazines give marks out of 10 etc. Men definitely have it easier being able to wear a suit - you don't hear much said about their outfits.

MrsJayy · 02/03/2016 16:20

Pharell went about like a demented Mountie for ages what were they hats about Helena bonheim carter looks like she fell out a skip on every red carpet

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