AIBU Junior Doctors - be professional and get back to your duties NOW !

[Lanchester]

AIBU Junior Doctors - Act responsibly and get back to work NOW !
If you want to work less hours fair enough.
And in fact you probably should be campaigning for that - together with an extra year or two of training so that you can get the necessary practical experience.
BUT at the moment you seem to be in effect saying that you want to continue to work long hours and continue to get premium rates for doing so.
Its really about your pay !

Meanwhile patient care is being put very much second to your own financial interests.

YABU.
It's not just about the money.
They are being professional. The all on walk out was cancelled - emergency services are covered.
Professional does not equal lying back and letting the government screw you over whilst drip feeding the media with daily stories of NHS ineptitude.

I believe you are Jeremy's mother Op.
No one else could think hes a man for the people

Puts down pipe
Takes off deerstalker hat

is as if the BMA is telling all non-doctors

Listen up you punks Be Grateful ! .... Be Very Grateful !

and gratitude can be shown in the normal manner as you leave (tin rattles)

Listen up you punks Be Grateful ! .... Be Very Grateful !

If my child was an A* student would I encourage them to go into Medicine and train as a junior doctor?

No!!! They are overworked to dangerous levels, they work 70(?) hours a week for £29k - works out at just under £9 an hour. Ok career prospects are great and I'm assuming pension may be better than private sector but my goodness do they deserve it.

Probably should be grateful whilst it lasts. I think we are watching the demise of the NHS.

Are you Jeremy Hunt's Spad?

Just signed a petition outside Great Ormond Street Hospital.
So tempted to scrawl "Jeremy Hunt is a twat" on the page.

It's fewer hours not less hours

So how do you think a seven day full service is going to help patients? There will still be the same amount of Drs. There's a major recruitment crisis incase you didn't know? Our deanery is offering 20k golden handshakes trying to get people to sign up and they still can't recruit!

Totally simplifying the numbers but imagine you have 10 doctors working at a hospital mon-fri. And two drs working on a sat and sun to cover the emergency work. So 54 Drs in total.

So if as Hunt wants you spread those Drs about evenly over 7 days there will be 7.7 drs per day. So on a weekday care will be worse than it currently is.

Hunt is a liar, the stats prove that mortality rate isn't worse at a weekend. I saw the figures ages ago and think it was worse on a Thursday. Currently there are plenty of Drs working weekends, in a&e, orthopaedics, obstetrics, icu, gynae, general medical drs. There aren't the routine clinics, etc. But does that really matter? If you need medical attention you will get it, if you need an operation you will be operated on.

Oi, Jeremy, why, when you were offered a cost neutral solution, that everyone else was ok with, did you veto it?

This is ideological, and, as you're not capable of understanding statistics, I think you better go and find someone more patient than I to do that.

The figures Jez quotes don't mean what he says they mean. Anyone, with even the smallest comprehension of stats would know that. The authors have told him that repeatedly.

Sadly for him, the public is generally behind the junior doctors.

Well, the ones who need the NHS are.

Yes, if Hunt wants the nhs to run more effectively at weekends then he needs to look further than the Drs. This just proves he has no idea what's going on.

Where I work pharmacy isn't open at a weekend, this is a big teaching hospital! it really affects discharges.

This is about so much more than the Drs. It's about making employees terms and conditions more attractive to private companies. It's about drawing a line in the sand. If the government wins the fight against the BMA, the most powerful health care 'union' then the rest of the NHS workers are screwed.

Totally agreed that if they get this through then nurses, ODPs, etc are next.

And then privatisation will really ramp up and then nhs will be gone. You can't have a healthcare system run by private companies and expect that the companies will put patients first.

They won't, they will put their profits first. They will bring in rules such as no knee replacements if your bmi is over 30, no ivf at all, no cancer treatment if you're over 70.

Privatisation is happening already in most hospitals. I'm seeing it where I work mainly with non patient contact stuff such as ASDU and the labs. But nottingham they sold off dermatology apart from all the consultants resigned rather than work for the private firm so now there's next to no dermatology.

I think it's Wiltshire where Virgin Healthcare are running paediatric care?

In ten years time when you can't get treatment, can't get the meds you need, can't get an operation you will wish you had supported the junior Drs more.

I worry that Hunt will just impose the new contract, he says he can. And of course I'm sure he will benefit financially on a personal level from privatisation. Even if not initially firms will promise him cushy well paid positions on them exec board in the future if he lets them have a contract now. So once he's out of govt he will be set up.

We are sleep walking into a nigntmare.

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Its really about your pay !

Clearly you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The BMA's latest offer was cost neutral, but still rejected. It really isn't about pay.

I really don't like the idea that an employer can just change the terms and conditions without any say from the employees. Especially when that employer has a monopoly in an absolutely vital service. Unfortunately, it does seem as though the government can indeed just impose the new contract simon. Which is really crap.

I support the doctors' strike.

To me its becoming all about Unions, conservatives are historically and philosophically against them, and it will escalate now for hunt to 'prove a point'

I'm picturing Lanchester reporting back - "Jeremy, the feedback on MummyNet was largely positive...".

Is Lanchester a reincarnation of isitmebut ?

I wonder what will happen now? Do the Doctors refuse to sign new contracts? Will they be sacked if they don't? Contracts don't appear to be worth the paper they are written on!

More Dr's will go abroad.

Hunt will get his wish in 5 years. Privatised health care all round. Well, for those who can afford it and don't have expensive complicated conditions or a family history or etc.

The number of Dr's available for interview is already falling. When dh was applying for a specialist registrar post 15 years ago, the competition was fierce. They are now struggling to fill these posts, with insufficient Dr's meaning rotas are either unfilled, locums are employed, or the existing Dr's are expected to pick up the slack.

When he was looking for a consultancy post 5 years ago, they were rare to come by and difficult to get. Multiple qualified and well trained applicants.

In his department 5 years ago there were 7 consultants. Now there are 5. In six months of advertising only one applicant has come forward.

For my dhs speciality and from a purely financial perspective, a crap NHS means longer waits for treatment and therefore more private work. More ££ for drs. But probably people dying on waiting lists. He has not experienced that yet but his older colleagues did. Am not sure he would want to continue working under those conditions.

Or a privatised NHS means lots of ££ for his speciality. But if wanted that, we would go abroad. He loves the NHS. That people are treated because they need it with the most appropriate treatment. Not treated because they have insurance and that treatment is what the insurance company chose.

Sorry for the epic post

If by any chance this gets fed back to Jeremy, can I please take the opportunity to say CUNT

10 years ago I would have been pleased and proud if one of our children said 'I want to be a dr'. I would have supported them all the way.

Now, of course I would support them. But I would be worried for their future.

If you don't sign the new contract you're out of a job. All drs rotate hospital in August so will have to have a new contract on whatever terms then.

Even if they weren't rotating it's legally possible to force people to sign a new contract and if they refuse they're simply out of a job. nHS South west pay consortium I believe did this a few years ago when all employees had a 10% pay cut which was against agenda for change nationally agreed pay rates.

Well im guessing if lots dont sign then there will be shortages and they will just go to being contracted which will costs even more.

But again this is conservative economics 101 - get the costs off the national books, paying a private company to do the same job for twice the money is fine.