"Intercourse/PIV is always rape, plain and simple."

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I was trying to find out what piv sex meant when I came across this blog.

witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/

I was rather taken aback by its premise.

Other quotes include:
...intercourse is NEVER sex for women...
...intercourse is inherently harmful to women and intentionally so...

Is this a commonly held view point amongst feminists? Or just the extreme radical side.

I am not posting this to be goady, if anything quite the opposite.

I think most of us on the thread support the women of Japan if they choose not to have PIV sex and not to have children. It can be a wise decision for many and often has been in history. ven in the UK in the 1500s plenty of women chose to join all women convents to avoid the burdens and health risks of having PIV sex, bearing children and having the drudgery of looking after a man and children.

Mention of MGTOW made me think of this extract from Lois Bujold's Ethan of Athos. She created a (heavily tongue-in-cheek) planet populated entirely by men (founded of course by one of those wild-eyed religious prophets who view women primarily as enticers of men into sin, and made possible by futuristic advances in reproductive technology).

The dialogue starts with the eponymous hero talking about his society’s financial difficulties to a female off-worlder: “Why, on Athos child-rearing absorbs most of the planet’s resources. Food of course – housing – education, clothing, medical care - it takes nearly all our efforts just to maintain population replacement, let alone increase.”
Elli Quin quirked an eyebrow. “How odd. On other worlds, people seem to come in floods.”
Ethan said “Really? I don’t see how that can be. Why, the labour costs alone of bringing a child to maturity are astronomical. There must be something wrong with your accounting.”
Her eyes screwed up in an expression of sudden ironic insight. “Ah, but on other worlds the labour costs aren’t added in. They’re counted as free.”
Ethan stared. “What an absurd bit of double thinking! Athonians would never sit still for such a hidden labour tax!”
“I believe,” her voice was edged with a peculiar dryness, “they call it women’s work. And the supply usually exceeds the demand – non-union scabs, as it were, undercutting the market.”

I think her views are quite extreme but i do agree that it seems like lots of men just use womens bodies as a masturbation tool/receptacle. Everyone has the right to do what they want with their body though, so fair enough as long as the woman wants it.

Zombie thread.

ZOMBIE THREAD!

Well. Op, I am reassured by the answers. I got politicised in the early 1980s as a single parent. Read every bit of feminism I could find. Until I came to the book that genuinely said you should chuck out boy children at 6.
Took this shit storm to bring me back.

I think the genesis of this idea comes from Andrea Dworkin’s writings. Which I fathom as being somewhat hyperbolic (I may be wrong though). It’s meant to shock and shake our preconceptions around sex itself.

I agree with her that almost from the moment a girl child is born she is raised within a heteronormative and sexualised environment which effectively grooms her into expecting/ accepting/ desiring/ desperately seeking relationships with men to validate her existence. This is why so many lesbians come out later in life: they go along with it until with maturity and experience they have the strength to work out who they really are.

There are also political lesbians: lesbians who, while not necessarily primarily sexually attracted to women, choose to centre their lives around women and live and work with women.

I imagine that quite a few of the girls waiting for their appointments at the Tavistock so that they can become transmen are either lesbians or asexual or have other reasons for wanting to avoid sexual contact with men.

There was a thread on here recently about the OMGyes site in which women can pay to see videos that will help them enjoy sex with men more. Looked at from one perspective you can see it as simple self-help: looked at from another you might see it as women being asked to pay to perpetuate the idea that PIV sex is the Everest, as it were, of sexual experience. Paying to perpetuate the patriarchal stranglehold on them. Paying to perpetuate the idea that having sex is one of the most important things a woman can do in her life, when clearly it's not.

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If that was to me, you'll need to elaborate.

thatdamnwoman, it's a zombie thread. Look at the date of the OP and most of the discussion.

Ooops. Thanks.

It's not even a commonly-held view amongst us gay feminists who have previously had PIV sex and decided we didn't like it all that much but understand that many other women do.

Oops. Something something grey rock, etc.

Oops. Something something grey rock, etc.

Heh heh heh

(Apologies for bumping but that was funny)