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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Labour Party leadership election

257 replies

Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 12:09

Make leader, male deputy, male candidate for London Mayor. I fucking despair, I really do. I've been going on about this on social media and I can't seem to make myself shut up about it, it makes me so incredibly angry.

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BlahBlahUsername · 12/09/2015 12:16

I genuinely think Corbyn is the best candidate, that's why I voted for him. of course I'll vote for women when I think they are the best candidates. I voted for Creasy as deputy.

Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 12:21

I think he'll be a disaster, but what's worse is the message this sends about how so-called progressives view women in positions of power.

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Awholelottanosy · 12/09/2015 12:26

Personally I don't care Corbyn is a man, he's got the best policies and is an avid supporter of women's rights. Thatcher was a woman and she was very anti women.Agree that politics is a hard place for a woman tho.

ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 12:36

I have been a Labour voter since 1979. This is a disaster. I would say it's Foot all over again except Foot at least had ministerial experience and intellectual credibility.

Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas. The champagne must be flowing at Conservative HQ.

I don't care about neither being a woman ( I can't remember who I voted for for deputy, it wasn't Watson, I think it was Creasey ) I voted YC,AB and LK in the leadership election.

I know personal lives should not matter but he's been married 3 times - sorry but I do tend to wonder about people on their third marriage. On a more serious note his being an IRA apologist is also worrying.

YellowJerseyPan · 12/09/2015 12:57

If a female candidate came along with JC's policies then I'd be voting for her. But she didn't. And I am pretty sure a massive proportion of JC's votes would have come from women voters. Esp. those who couldn't stomach the thought of Liz Kendal getting anywhere near the top job. And of course we've just had HH as temp leader and 40% of the MPs are women. It isn't exactly all doom and gloom.

ComeLuckyApril · 12/09/2015 12:58

I expect if a left-wing woman had run, she would have done well. The women who stood had some pretty anti-woman policies tbh, so I wouldn't vote for them. And they were right wing, so I didn't.

LightningOnlyStrikesOnce · 12/09/2015 13:14

They weren't all right-wing, Angela Eagle and Stella Creasey weren't. They were the first two I voted for actually.

I do share your concerns, op, and hope there will be a better gender balance in the shadow cabinet. JC has expressed preferences that way so we can hope.

But I'm just so pleased that JC won, and so convincingly, I wasn't expecting that despite the reports. We have a left wing party, a real alternative to the centrist discredited 'austerity' (read 'elitist') and oligarchic attitudes, and we have hope again.

ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 13:35

Singing la, la, la can't hear you. Were you around in the debacle of the Foot and Kinnock years?

Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 13:37

He's going to struggle to get anyone competent to serve in his shadow cabinet, of either sex.

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ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 13:37

We had a real left wing party in the late 70s and throughout the 80s - it was unelectable and ineffective in opposition.

ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 13:57

He's going to struggle to get anyone competent to serve in his shadow cabinet, of either sex.

Tristram Hunt and Chuka Umunna won't. It's going to be the equivalent of the people who were in the SWP student group when I was at university in the late 70s /early 80s heaven help us.

Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 13:59

He'll get Diane Abbott though

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Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 14:01

ComeLuckyApril, Liz Kendall and Yvette Cooper are both feminists and had very pro-woman policies - what Kendall had to say about early-years education and the treatment of care workers, for instance.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 12/09/2015 14:07

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YellowJerseyPan · 12/09/2015 14:24

Kendal and Cooper can call themselves anything they want, but certainly LK's voting record is utterly appalling and would do massive damage to women and children in this country.

scatterthenuns · 12/09/2015 14:25

I voted Liz, Stella and Tessa.

Most gutted about Tessa.

Amethyst24 · 12/09/2015 14:38

Me too, Scatter.

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ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 15:14

My preference was LK but I didn't think she had any chance so voted for Yvette who looked (and still looks) the obvious leader.

I'm hoping for 12 months' disarray, squabbling, dismal performances at the dispatch boxes and a night of the long knives after which Corbyn stands down.

YellowJerseyPan · 12/09/2015 16:46

That's odd ALass. Someone is overwhelmingly elected as party leader in a democratic process, and you hope to have the party damaged by squabbles and embarrassment. Are you actually a Labour supporter? Wishing the democracy of the party is usurped by the MPs is fairly ant-democratic isn't it?

Tiredemma · 12/09/2015 16:54

I'm hoping for 12 months' disarray, squabbling, dismal performances at the dispatch boxes and a night of the long knives after which Corbyn stands down

approx 259k people labour voters think otherwise.

The minute amount who voted for LK indicate just how far out of touch with Labour she really is

HamaTime · 12/09/2015 16:54

I voted for Stella and I put Yvette as my 2nd choice for leader but I think she is quite weak (but better than the other 2). She was poor in the Sky News debate and seemed to struggle with basic facts. I would have prefered her to Andy though. To mis-quote John McDonnell, I would rather swim through vomit that vote for Liz. I disagree with pretty much everything she stands for.

PlaysWellWithOthers · 12/09/2015 17:02

I had hoped that Stella Creasey would make deputy, and she put in a really good showing in the end.

I am glad that Corbyn won. In a time of pointless and seemingly endless austerity, we need a real alternative.

Anyone who uses Corbyn's landslide victory as an excuse to damage the Labour party probably needs to leave it. If you can't handle democratic processes not going your way, then Labour might not be the party for you.

ilovesooty · 12/09/2015 17:07

I'm delighted Jeremy Corbyn has won. The fact that he's male is irrelevant.

ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 17:08

Well as I said have been voting Labour since 1979 all through the previous unelectable era. I suppose it depends on whether you want an extreme left ideologue who has no chance of implementing his policies but makes you feel good about yourself or a left of centre party which can actually achieve something.

Labour was in the wilderness for decades - Corbyn's policies are virtually a rewrite of the 1983 manifesto.

ALassUnparalleled · 12/09/2015 17:11

You seem to be forgetting preaching to the converted will get no results. Cooper was the candidate most preferred by former Labour voters. Do you think Corbyn is going to win back Conservative voters?