Misleading campaign trying to con the UK about the horrific level of domestic violence committed by men against women

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A dadsnet thread came up last night on active, asking us to sign a petition to the Royal Borough of Greenwich that they change their poster against domestic violence "Dad's have to change."

The thread claims FALSELY that "women perpetrate physical and emotional abuse at comparable rates to men"

This campaign is pushed by the usual suspects of F4J and Torygraph, part of a broader aim to downplay male violence against women. It is conning an increasing number of people, especially those inclined anyway to make excuses for men.

Karen Smith has an excellent blog analysing statistics to show domestic violence is overwhelmingly MALE:
(CPS stats over 5 years) 93.4% of those convicted were MALE.

Female victims are far more likely to suffer violence, to suffer more repeated incidents, to suffer worse injury.
Contrary to popular myth, men are MORE likely to report an incident and to continue with prosecution.

Home Office statistics for England & Wales show on average per year:
. 100 women killed by past or present male partners
. 10 men also killed by MALE partners
. 20 men killed by female partners

So, 20 female killers for every 110 male killers.

See also the very sad Counting Dead Women

Buffy there is only a lot of time and words spent because I was attempting to respond to other posters who questioned what I was saying or extrapolated something from my posts something that I was not saying.

There is no 'doubling' as excuses to my mind when I am not excusing. My only aim in unravelling the causes of dysfunction is to more effectively tackle it, it is a pragmatic approach. I have stressed time and time again that I do not think DV is permissible.

I must admit I'm completely lost at sea when it comes to DV. There has to be a gendered component to it surely? After all it affects people at all socio-economics bands and cultures.

Fwiw from my bog standard patriarchal upbringing at an all male public school the very idea of violence towards women was an anathema, but it's easy to see how such a problem is rendered completely invisible when a man's word = truth whereas women's are silenced.

I think anyone that wants to tackle the issue be it from counselling perpetrators, funding for shelters and enabling women to exit abusive relationships gets my vote. I don't altogether care whom it offends, make the posters controversial and eye catching.

Just get the issue more and more in the public consciousness and public debate. Are there any cushions on the no bench? I've a feeling this will be a long sit in.

I have said, I wholly am in favour of victims getting all the support they need. However on this thread I expect my, repeated, assurances of this have been ignored.

Because much of what you have been saying is antithetical to victims actually getting all the support they need.

Why, Seneca? Please elaborate. The perpetrators getting psychiatric treatment does not preclude the victims getting help and support does it?

I'm sorry capsium but I gave up around page 5. There were so many comments by you I disagreed with I can't begin to start quoting them although this one did stand out.

And of course we should teach that violence and rape is wrong. I say wrong not unacceptable because accepting it happens is necessary in order to stop it

I'm really not sure what you meant there but possibly "recognising it happens" might be a better turn of phrase - although I'm not sure who doesn't recognise this. Nor that the reason it happens is because we don't accept / recognise it as a problem.

I have no problem with the phrase 'recognising it happens'.

'Unacceptable' grates on me because it reminds me of a 'Supernanny' attititude, where individuals are punished without tackling the problems which might cause dysfunctional behaviour in the first place. It is biased towards a behaviourist rather than cognitive perspective.

New chant for Reclaim the Night?

WHAT DO WE WANT?

• AN END TO VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?

• AFTER AN EXAMINATION OF THE INDIVIDUAL FACTORS CAUSING VIOLENCE BY INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE MALE WITHOUT MAKING ANY PREJUDGMENTS AND A CONSIDERATION OF EPIGENETIC META STABILITY AND DEVISING AN INDIVIDUAL APPROACH AND RESPONSE TO EACH VIOLENT ABUSER TAKING INTO ACCOUNT TRAUMA SUFFERED BY THE ABUSER AND WITHOUT IMPOSING ANGER FROM THE VICTIM!

Don't forget 'And without supporting the victim in any way'.

Capsium you are seriously insulting everyone who's ever been affected by domestic violence. In fact you're giving me some major unresolved anger. Perhaps you could try and empathise with that? Or do I have to go and break someone's bones first? Or do I simply have to be male to begin with and then you'll cover for me?

I'm sorry you feel like that, Lightening.

I am equally concerned that violent women get help for whatever dysfunction is causing them to act violently. Because proper help is what I think will be most conducive in stopping them being violent.

Violent men were the subject of the conversation, on this thread, in relation to the statistics cited.

Lightening and I have said, on numerous occasions, that I want the victims of violence to receive good quality support.

that should read Lightning. Typo.

Exactly what Buffy said.

Capsium You want victims to receive good quality support. That's commendable. That also costs money, and the pot of money to fund domestic violence services is limited. Much of what you are arguing for would involve diverting funds from helping victims, in some cases, funds that provide for refuges and shelters that protect the victims who are at the greatest risk of lethality. That's just a simple fact of political life and one of the many reasons that your arguments are not helping victims.

Yes, I do want victims to receive good quality support.

But would proper psychiatric treatment for the perpetrators really impact on on the support for victims? Directly I mean. I had assumed there would be entirely separate funding streams.

My major worry is that we are left with dangerous individuals re entering society or more pressure being put on the prison services, if the perpetrators cannot effectively be rehabilitated. They have got to live somewhere. This is why I feel as I do.

That does not surprise me, Voyage.