Corbyn says he will consult women on women only train carriages

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34059249

FFS Jeremy come on. Deal with the perpetrators not ghettoise the victims.

Jeremy really does seem locked into the 1970s - the last decade women-only carriages were still around in the UK.

Maybe he should think about employing more security guards on his nationalised railway. He could also get rid of the male-only first class compartments.

I was thinking about this again last night. Now, it wouldn't effect me that much, I'm older, used to it, don't care anymore. But I have a baby daughter and I don't really want her getting used to it as a schoolchild or a teenager. I'd prefer to send her on a women's only carriage on the train if she were going. I don't want her to see what I've seen.

Floppity, first class is not male only. I've travelled in it and several women are usually there.

I support Corbyn consulting on this point.

To be honest Scallops, a woman is attacked anywhere and it's usually her fault. Unless we all lived in individual pods and had no physical contact with anyone, all abuses visited on us are our fault in some way.

However, of course if a woman wasn't in one of those carriages and was attacked then it would be her fault...

This is my biggest problem with the idea - it could very easily turn into another stick to beat women with. On top of 'what were you wearing' and 'why were you out late alone', you'd get 'why weren't you in the women's carriage /why didn't you wait for a train with a women's carriage'.

It doesn't feel like it would help tackle the root problem - instead it feels like it could make it worse by piling more responsibility on women.

www.jeremyforlabour.com/end_street_harassment

That's the full position on street harassment. It includes working with police forces etc

I like the hotline idea.

I would have thought that most trains are more than one quarter/one eighth women so not all women on them will fit into the carriage.

The idea of a staffed carriage is great but I'm sure the train companies don't want to pay for that. People's safety won't trump saving money sadly .

As a minimum there needs to be robust CCTV, posters making it clear that sexual harassment and assault will be investigated.

At least Corbyn has talked about reforming the PSHE agenda as well to start talking about this stuff on schools.

I'm still astonished (well not really) about how this has been picked up on.

in schools

I'm not overly convinced that single sex carriages are the way to go i would favour more train guards with monitored cctv to help beat the problem, At least he is willing to listen to suggestions and explore ways of keeping travelling lone females safe

i would have thought that most trains are more than one quarter/one eighth women so not all women on them will fit into the carriage.

But I think the idea would be to have them on late night trains that are rarely full?

Anyway I'm not keen on the idea but am glad the issue is being raised and discussed, only the other day I was on the top deck of a late bus with just one other man who was beckoning me over to talk etc, so fucking tiresome.
More visibility of staff on late night trains would be much more useful though.

I don't think this sounds like a good idea. I think more supervision on trains is the way to go.

Putting all the women in one carriage would make them sitting ducks for someone with ill intent.

He could also get rid of the male-only first class compartments

Not a particularly helpful comment. I always use first class , usually from Edinburgh to Aberdeen or London and Glasgow during busy times. The mix is equal.

If anything the London first class has more women in it. Possibly because it's not that expensive depending on when you book and, if you were concerned about safety, there is a higher staff presence in first class.

My experience too that first class is a pretty equal mix, certainly on my line.

I know it is hard criticising the sainted Corbyn, but I would really like to know what groundswell of women were telling him to consider women only carriages. Haven't seen too many clamouring to come forward and say "it was us".

Don't blame him for listening. Don't blame him for taking safety on trains seriously, but surely not even a 1970s dinosaur like Corbyn could seriously think of dumping women back in that situation, for reasons other posters have explained.

I was one of the generation struggling to get women treated as equal human beings in the 60s and 70s. Apart from shoving women back into travelling purdah, those who think it will make us safer clearly have not thought it through properly. (I speak as someone who was sexually harassed in a woman only carriage in 1966 by a man who simply walked through and used his sense of entitlement to make a pest of himself in a situation that was potentially dangerous and only ended when, after remonstrating with him to no effect, took a swipe at him and punched him on the jaw).

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It's good that the problem has been named. The suggestion raised by Corbyn feels very wrong for so many reasons - the idea that keeping the genders apart is the solution (where would it end?), the implication that other men would not step in if a woman was being harassed, the judgements that would be passed on a woman for sitting in a non segregated carriage - ie fair game. But I am impressed that someone has highlighted a serious societal problem.

The only harassment I have ever faced on late trains has been from drunk women. I would hate to be in a women only coach. I want better security on the trains for all!

Ridiculous idea.

I don't think you are here in good faith bebower.