Rape and coercion

[VampyreQueen]

I'm trying to think something through and I'd greatly appreciate some help!

My DP and I were discussing a well known game franchise that he plays. I haven't played it myself so only know the story second hand, if you see what I mean.

Essentially, Character A and Character B are kidnapped by the Bad Guys. The Bad Guy tells A that he has a choice; either A can rape B or he (Bad Guy) will. This is basically a means of torture, in that A must decide wether to take the 'kinder' option of doing it or allowing the Bad Guy to do it (probably with added violence)

To me, A is still a rapist and - though in a shit position - is still morally wrong (if you see what I mean)

DP disagrees. I would be interested in your thoughts, Should you care to share them

That's awful Just! I'm sorry that that happened to you

I'm glad he did get caught eventually.

I think PP are right, actually, and that this is just another way of making women's suffering all about the men. Which is sad really and sort of worrying that DP can't see it.

I think you DH as a lot of people do, looks at rape from the perspective of the perpetrator not the victim. Abuse is often defined by the perpetrators.

I'd be pretty certain A would say she'd been raped by B. A rape took place and B perpetrated it.

Why is he playing this game? Apologies if you've said. I'm not surprised he gets defensive when questioned about it. He bloody should. It is a criticism of him and the game.

Scallops, that's really clearly put, thanks.

Was A raped? Yes. Who penetrated her without consent ? B. Therefore did B commit rape? Yes.

Just, your ex wanted to write one about himself? Not his observations of the impact on you?

Blimey!

Here's what the main male character looks like:

And here's what the main female character looks like:

Notice any differences is how they are dressed?

I should know better than to read threads about games.

Making a sadface, putting head back in the sand.

Still rape!

Ffs @ pictures.

And yes @ game player being invited to put themselves in "terrible quandary" of person a. Pp are right that from person b perspective the kidnapper might well be the preferred choice. But it's not person b's choice is it.

What lesson are they trying to teach here?

And what would the reaction be if person b was male? I suspect a lot of person a would say I can't, the kidnapper will have to do it. I can't force that on my friend, I couldn't get it up. But when person b is a woman, yup go for it and he's doing her a favour.

So the subtext of this just gets iffier and iffier the more you think about it. And well it was extremely wtaf to start with!

So the game makers have set up a situation telling young men that sometimes it is justifiable to rape a woman, that rape and sex are the same thing (of course he can do it she's hot right? So who wouldn't) in a way that totally would not apply if person b were a man. Or a child? What if person b were his mother or sister. What then? I'm guessing it's a no. Op ask your dh that? And then ask why it's different if person b is female, not related, and of reproductive type age.

After seeing the pics I think the game is using rape as an explantation for a mutually consensual 'fuck the mate/ colleague you've always fancied without social repercussions' type of scenario. Which is so utterly wrong in every way.

Yes @JustTheRightBullets the game is 100% sexist! I just did some more googling and it turns out that the creators actually released an "Action figure" of the main female character complete with..."soft squeezable breasts". The mind boggles.

Video about action figure:

Link to pic: static3.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1179/11799911/2863240-quiet4.jpg

Thanks, Just, I didn't know that. I could see how perhaps another person's view of the impact might add something (eg X has been too scared to go to the shops alone since the mugging) if it was something the victim was reluctant to say about themselves.

I don't believe that a game that designs it main female heroin as a sex object and releases a sex doll with squeezable breasts can be trusted regarding its morale stance on rape. The rape part is probably in the game for pure perverted titillation.

The guy in the video that I posted is the market that game is aimed at and he didn't exactly come across well.

Correction - *moral stance on rape

Some of the dilemma seems to stem from the old idea that rape is at least partly wrong because it harms the male owners of the victim. So raping B is seen as equally bad for A because he likes her, making him equally a victim.

This is what I was trying but failing to articulate last night.

And I think I made it absolutely clear I thought the scenario is abhorrent and therefore by extension so is the game and most importantly the people who profit from making up this stuff are gits. So I don't why we are being accused of being blase about this.

Super, thanks for posting the extra stuff on the game. I now loathe this game even more.

DS1 is going to be outgrowing Minion Rush at some point - I need to find some other innocuous games for him.

@YonicScrewdriver It puts the rape scene in context once you take into consideration the wider game. Clearly it's a game made by people (men I'm guessing) who don't respect women in general. If they did they wouldn't design the main Heroin (who is called "Quiet") to look like a stripper.

LOL @ Heroin. I obviously meant Heroine in my previous posts

I wonder if it's because he feels like a criticism of the game Is a criticism of him? E.g., if this game is sexist/misogynistic than I (as a fan of this game) must also be sexist/misogynistic. Since I am not, the game can't be either.

If he plays that game, and thinks a man is a victim of rape if he rapes a woman as a favour to her to stop her being "bad" raped, and thinks the woman should be grateful for his sacrifice and help him through his pain, then he is a sexist, misogynist, rape apologist.

Fucking creepy bastard playing rape fantasy games.

Jesus Christ.