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Kids thrown in juvenile detention for refusing to see possibly violent father

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Dervel · 15/07/2015 16:42

This can't be right can it?

www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/29496924/family-judge-orders-kids-held-in-juvenile-center-after-refusing-to-see-father

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AskBasil · 21/07/2015 11:40

"Surely if the mother really did alienate the children and the father has been fighting tooth and nail to interact with them he would have seized this opportunity with both hands?"

Well one would have thought so. Hmm

But she probably hasn't been alienating her children, he's probably been lying about that.

Parental alienation does exist, but it's a tiny, tiny problem compared to the number of men who abuse their families and then claim that the reason their kids are afraid of them and don't want to see them, is because of parental alienation. We're supposed to think it's an enormous problem because men think it's an enormous problem. Meanwhile, 1 in 4 women live with domestic violence and we're supposed to think they're exaggerating and/ or lying.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 21/07/2015 12:11

Yes it is, pity.

Anniegetyourgun · 21/07/2015 16:10

I wouldn't take anything on the Freep as gospel, frankly. They have... issues. It's like saying this is the honest truth because I saw it on Fox News, or read it in the Daily Sport.

nooka · 21/07/2015 16:48

This is apparently the site of a PR company hired to support the father. It has a series of court transcripts and submissions by his legal team. Very interesting. It looks like the mother have indeed frustrated access at times, but the father has also made unreasonable demands too. The judge has been very harsh previously and the guardian is at he least very odd. The children's lawyers seem to be mostly absent.

I don't think that there is any doubt that the children are alienated from their father, how much the mother should be implicated in that is unclear (there are apparently some reports from counselors and psychologists but they are not in this document selection). However the allegation that they are the victims of Parental Alienation Syndrome is not as far as I can see substantiated, and I'm not sure if it even can be as it's not a recognised psychological condition. The older boys says he saw his mother being hit by his father. The younger one was physically harmed during the last unsupervised visit to the fathers home. Obviously something is very wrong but I don't think that the guardian or the judge (who think that the children are brainwashed and also quite fundamentally bad) are well placed to find a solution.

nooka · 21/07/2015 16:48

Forgot the link again: everything-pr.com/tsimhoni-vs-tsimhoni/258461/

BerylStreep · 22/07/2015 00:24

Somewhat off topic, but it pisses me off no end that US 'Human Rights Observers' turn up in Northern Ireland on a regular basis to ensure we aren't denying people's human rights, when it is glaringly obvious that their efforts would be better directed on their home turf, where they obviously don't give a shiny shit about human rights.

I have to say I find this quite triggering. I was placed in 'secure accommodation' 30 years ago, for speaking out about parental abuse I endured. I wasn't believed, as the parent involved was a respected professional, who claimed I had inflicted my injuries myself. I was articulate and opinionated, and the decision to place me there was most definitely taken to take me down a peg or two (later confirmed to me by social workers). I was there for 4 months, and it was shit. It affected my self confidence for years and years after it, and I realise as I type this, it still affects me. Sad

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/07/2015 03:45

That's dreadful, Beryl - and I suspect what is also going on here, that they would rather believe the father's story because of his "status" than believe he could be the bad guy and everyone else is actually telling the truth. :(

AskBasil · 22/07/2015 19:12

God that's terrible Beryl. So sorry that happened to you. Sad

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