I'm not normally one for video games, but...

[PreemptiveSalvageEngineer]

Started with a Cracked.com article about atheism not doing itself any favours to a Guardian article about Dawkins' "Dear Muslima" letter, to this.

I dabble in and out of the FWR boards, most of my chat here is in Relationships, so, apologies if this has been mentioned before, but what's anybody's take on this? Is there better? Etc?

Well the issue you have is no guys are going to be bothered to play unless someone pays them. Asked the boys and they laughed, so what is the point of creating a game no one will play?

Good point. >sadface<

I guess, at least, it's something getting the message out there. Like that cup of tea analogy.

That's terrible. The fuss that is made about computer games making kids violent and having lack of respect for women. I get the idea but strikes me as massively having double standards.

I know it's more of a social project and not a computer game but point still stands

To me it's a bit like when you're at school and your maths teacher suddenly becomes mr-drugs-are-bad for a lesson, and you do role playing and talk about peer pressure. It's not that it's bad and I guess in an education context it could be helpful.

But I think it sounds really boring to play! So it works into the incorrect idea that women 'don't get' games, and/or that women's rights are fundamentally incompatible with them. The idea that feminism is 'uncool', as well - it's a bit of that maths teacher type position, which I don't think is really helpful in terms of making an actual change.

On a broader level, what I also don't like (sorry, totally raining on the parade!) is this idea of there being 'rules' and women being the keepers of those rules. There is already so much of that at play for men, in everything from the PUA stuff to some of the 'I know what triggered is' crowd, the idea that if you follow the rules you can 'win' the game of women - with attendant disappointment if you don't.

The exercise of having men write ways they avoid harassment and then having women do the same - that seemed better to me, more realistic and more of a dialogue than a lecture.

I am loving all the viewpoints here.

I do believe there are problems in the currant video game culture, it remains heavily male dominated and sexist but is improving more and more.

However I don't like this game, for me it sets double standards and still has the use of violence. Just because it's the use of violence towards males instead women does not make it right, especially for the sake of a comment made towards the other gender.

I think if I were to improve video games, I would get rid of the sexist images, Lara Craft's outfits are completely unpractical have more games geared towards girls and generally more equal/unisex in general. This game sounds boring and I doubt most teenage boys would take notice of the supposed message behind it.

You do also have to remember that men too get sexual comments in the street and are sexual objects more and more. How some newspaper
talked about Aiden Turner for example is shocking!

A game where you play a female and shoot male characters (and only male characters) dead?

Yet you have the cheek to complain about Grand Theft Auto. At least in GTA you can shoot anyone regardless of gender, the game you mention is sexist on purpose.

Agirlcalled I think the whole gaming thing is a bit of vicious circle. You don't get many female gamers because there aren't many games aimed towards women but you don't get many games because don't have many female players.

I've spent a lot of time in the past playing online and to be honest it's a pretty horrendous place regards of your gender.

No I meant like housework simulators and stuff

For insistence, call of duty being the biggest computer around currently, there are probably 12 different games into the franchise, it's only in the last two that you could choose to play as a female character in multiplayer

dinneruwa, first off, I never mentioned GTA. I don't think anybody did before you.

Actually, I'm going to leave it at that for the moment. And take my alleged cheek elsewhere.

Don't worry about dinner, he's a known troll who is so desperate to be here that he gets round his ban every couple of days in order to manage to post 10 or so insults and rape myths. Imagine how sad and pathetic his life must be to do that?

Not that you should feel sorry for him or anything, because he's a git.

"For insistence, call of duty being the biggest computer around currently, there are probably 12 different games into the franchise, it's only in the last two that you could choose to play as a female character in multiplayer"

First world problem.

There are plenty of feminists calling for GTA to be banned on the basis it's "violence against women". Even though over 99% of the characters the player kills during the storyline will be male.

Back already?

First world problem: "A popular game franchise for the latest generation of video game consoles doesn't have the ratio of male to female characters I like in the earlier games!"

Another first world problem: "Other adult women choose to pose topless for newspapers!!! I don't like the choices they make! Change the laws to stop them making those choices!!"

Third world problems: hunger, disease, lack of access to suitable medical treatment, lack of access to clean water

Get my point yet? You lot are like a spoiled rich little girl who screams and stamp her feet and thinks she has life bad because daddy tells her she can't have any more than 3 horses and 2 ponies.

Dear god, you're dull.

Awww. Another butterfly broken on the wheel of life. We can all sympathise with that on here, we've all had our problems. And clearly you are obsessed with us, we recognise it's difficult to resist our natural attraction. We're all just so damned irresistable.

Hysterical rage filled trolling of feminists is kind of a first world thing to be into as well you know.

"we've all had our problems"

And your biggest problem is you think life is hard all because you couldn't play as a female character in certain games in a video game franchise. What a sheltered little lamb you are.

I know your trolling johenne but just to let you know as you quoted me. I'm male.

Why are you so upset?

Oh man. Look, honestly I just had a little think about you, getting up to post this stuff here, trying (and sorry, failing) to mess with a bunch of random women (and men).

The people here get trolled all the time and you're not going to be able to upset them just by throwing tired cliches around.

There is a grand tradition of hilarious trolling, joyful trolling, trolling that brings happiness to all who engage with it, that hate trolling does so much harm to. 'Trolling' now just means hate, and you're yet another on a boring bandwagon that we're all steadily becoming better at ignoring. You're just noise. And I bet you don't even hate women.

Aim higher! Invent new forms! Be the troll you want to see in the world! Seriously.

"Hysterical rage filled trolling of feminists is kind of a first world thing to be into as well you know."

"Aim higher! Invent new forms! Be the troll you want to see in the world! Seriously"