What do you think of this...(possible rape)

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Now I think this is rape. I appear to be a lone voice however, as most are calling those who fell for this stupid.

Opinions?

Rape?

God some people are just red hot keen to defend men who stick their cocks where they really really shouldn't aren't they.

So multiple women have been deceived into fucking an ugly old man, something which will be extremely traumatic for them. The compassion being shown for them here is heart-warming

Although i suppose, given that no-one can really tell what anyone looks like, maybe he is actually a young hot model, and it's only the women and the courts and so forth who are perceiving him to look like an old man. That's got to be worth considering. Maybe the women need to be done for a malicious allegation on that basis - might be worth a look.

Bowl of, if you've finished accusing other posters of being dim, would you have ruled the other way in the case I have just described?

And given that case, how can you be 100% sure that this case would go the other way and anyone who has doubts about that must just be dim?

It's not in doubt that the photo wasn't him. All this nonsense about the subjectiveness of who people identify other people is irrelevant. He deliberately sent them a photo of someone who wasn't him.

He is a sexual predator.

The "he's too good looking to be true" as an excuse for him fucking them is interetsing isn't it. So the women got deceived into fucking an old man and it's not his fault it's their fault for being gullible.

OTOH many rapists who are good looking use that as a (often successful) defence - look at my client he could pull easily why would he need to rape anyone.

Interesting.

Countess yes many men don't like that idea at all.

Oh, bowlof. I see your only ever MN posts have been on FWR "discussing" controversial rape or sexual abuse cases such as that of the rapist Ched Evans.

#weseeyou

I don't think men are threatened. I just find the story incredible, regardless of the sex of the victim.

It such an incredibly dangerous thing to do.

Yes he is incredibly dangerous, Mengog.

'You can make up whatever silly stories you like about who you are. What the person consents to is sex with that physical human in front of them. If another human body is substituted without the knowledge of the other party it is rape.'

She did consent to sex with that physical human in front of her (without looking to see who he was).

That's why the DP/Dad, DP/flatmate and DP locked in a cupboard/stranger analogies don't work.

There were never two human bodies involved. There was one human, with a photo that wasn't him.

If the model in the photo had met her/been there and then once she was blindfolded switched with the old man it would be rape, as in the Ched Evans case. That's not what happened, she met someone from the internet and he looked different to what he said.

It's horrible, but I don't think it's rape.

Many men are threatened by the idea that women might have sexual desires of their own, certainly.

Hence thousands of years of oppression, for a start!

Outraged, what's your view of the case I outlined where the recipient of sexual contact was deceived as to the sex of the provider of that contact and that invalidated the consent?

There's a spectrum between that and "he said he was a poet but actually he's a rock star, I would never have shagged him if I'd known"

This act is on that spectrum. To my mind, it's on the "invalidated" side of the spectrum because the piece of information persistently misrepresented was hugely material to the consent.

I agree that he is dangerous.

I asked upthread what people made of the fact that he had tried this with over 300 women, and succeeded with more than one (it doesn't say in the article how many).

Basically he has found a way to circumvent consent. The women would never have consented if they knew what he looked like. So he found a way to get round it, which he then exploited as much as he could.

Do people think that there is no crime here to be met, that he should be told he is free to continue, that other men should be appraised of this method of obtaining consent in the wake of the 50 shades phenomenon?

The women involved are quite frankly stupid. The man involved is a deceitful arsehole but the sex was consenting and most likely enthusiastic on both sides at the time the sex was happening.

Oh god that makes me want to hurl just reading it.

Those poor bloody women.

And why is it surprising that if a predator trawls the massively large numbers of women on dating sites he'll be able to identify the minority who will make easy targets? I think it's more incredible how much people want to focus on the victims rather than the predator. I mean , I wouldn't do it, you wouldn't do it -we can give ourselves pats on the back for being savvy, big deal.

Apparently reckless women / women with poor judgement get what they deserve, and what they deserve is to be sexually exploited by ugly old men.

That's also the same as every victim blaming line, ever.

"Oh she was stupid to be doing that, she was asking for it".

Heard it all before.

If your granny or grandad falls for a sob story at the doorstep and gets tricked out of £200, do you call them quite frankly stupid? Or do you save the insults for the man who pretended for the 300th time to have just got mugged and to need the money to visit his hospitalised child?

350 women he targeted. He did not want or care about their consent. He just wanted intercourse with them. That is rape.

This "technique" will be all over PUA websites soon I would imagine.

It comes back to the view that men have a right to sex with hot women

Not wanting to ask the same question again, but I am interested in opinions on it. If the picture had been him from 35 years earlier would it still have been rape?

"...So it could have been classified as rape, if there had been enough evidence...."

No - if the CPS believe there is enough evidence, they put the case forward for the court to decide if it is rape.

The only issue with the undercover cops was that of identity/deception - nothing else was really disputed - it was pretty clear that they had sex and that the women consented to sex with [someone]. It would therefore have been on the issue of identity/deception that the evidence was deemed insufficient.

I think there is also a whiff of ideas around "loose women" and how if they consent to one they consent to all - the attitude that prostitutes could not be raped - that idea.

It came up just now - that she consented to perform these sex acts so why should it matter who it was with, and she probably loved it.

"No - if the CPS believe there is enough evidence, they put the case forward for the court to decide if it is rape."

Erm no

The CPS decide to bring a prosecution for a specific crime, if they believe they have enough evidence that they have a good chance of securing a conviction, and if it's in the public interest to do so.

The CPS don't go to court and say "ah right we've got all this evidence here, can you court people decide please which crime we might be looking at here?"

Bowlof, have you checked out the other parts of MN? There's some good topics.

lol yonic