What do you think of this...(possible rape)

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Now I think this is rape. I appear to be a lone voice however, as most are calling those who fell for this stupid.

Opinions?

Rape?

COuntess- no it doesn't.

But the woman has some responsibility here, all she had to do was lift up the blindfold for a second or two to find out who she was having sex with. Like I said before, what if some guy told you he was airline pilot, and you DTD and then it turned out he was a lorry driver? is that rape?

"Focus on his behaviour, not hers. "

Yes he is deceptive. but rape?

If she had lied about her age for example, does that mean she raped him? Did the man know here real name? Maybe he consented to have sex with a woman, who is 40, called Chantelle, who lives in Berlin. But actually this is Sharon, 43, from Paris.... has he been raped?

Also - you could meet any guy in a bar, and they could say anything they like about themselves "Oh yes, I'm airline pilot, I eanr 5 billion a year, wanna have sex". Woman says"Yes please" - they do the business. and then just afer he says "Oh actually, I'm a lorry driver..."

But that's not an analogous situation at all. The analogous situation would be: man picks up girl in bar, establishes she's into 50-shades type blindfold games, goes back to his house with her, blindfolds her, pretends to go to the loo, his flatmate comes back into the room and has sex with her.

It's rape, no question.

Cross post, Buffy.

Loads of zeros and ones - you seem terribly invested in arguing that this wasn't rape. Why?

He is either a highly skilled manipulator or very good at identifying and targeting naive women. I am amazed at the victim blamers on here.

It's the same basic premis that got Ched Evans convicted and not his friend i.e. that she did not consent to sex with that particular man.

Lurcio - The difference she chose to have sex with this man having never seen him, so your situation isn't analogous either.

What about if she had lied about herself too? (My pairs/berlin example above) does that mean she raped him? if she lied about who she was?

Quite, slug!

I repeat my question, 001 etc. - why are you so invested in arguing that this wasn't rape?

It's rape. She didn't consent to sex with this person. Also from the level of deception it's clear that he knew they wouldn't consent.

"Loads of zeros and ones - you seem terribly invested in arguing that this wasn't rape. Why?"

Because, I don't think it is rape. :/

I think it is a woman who made a stupid decision (i.e having sex, blindfolded with a stranger) and a manipulative man who lied about who he was.

To help me understand why some of you think it is rape, is my Paris/Berlin example rape?

Why do you keep bringing up irrelevant hypothetical examples 001? She didn't lie. He did.

Err, becasue if this news story is rape, then Paris/Berlin is rape.

Which means a ahell of a lot of rape has happened out there, through people telling lies about who they are.

Did you miss Buffy's post of 16.37?

No, the Paris/Berlin case isn't rape, for the same reasons Buffy gave with your lorry driver example - because he/she consented to sex with that person, not their professional status/geographical origins.

People who embroider their status to get sex are bell-ends.

People who pretend to be a completely different person are rapists (cf flatmate example, real life Ched Evans case).

If you can't see the difference you have seriously messed up boundaries.

I don't see the difference between the two situations to me they are this:

Situation1:
PERSONA: I'm this person - trust me I'm not lying at all.
PERSON: OK, let's have sex.
PERSONA: Actually I'm this person.

Situation2:
PERSONA: I'm this person - trust me I'm not lying at all.
PERSON: OK, Let's have sex.
PERSONA: Actually I'm this person.

sorry and all that, but I can't see this is a rape :(

Why on earth would you think a woman having sex with a man she had not consented to have sex with not constitute rape?

It's really very, very simple. Men get convicted and sent to jail for this sort of thing.

Under Uk law it's rape.

Case law here: www.rjerrard.co.uk/law/cases/linekar.htm

Judge's comment: "the only sorts of fraud which so far destroy the effect of a woman's consent as to convert a connection consented to in fact into a rape are frauds as to the nature of the act itself, or as to the identity of the person who does the act"

" (imagining for this scenario that the law says women can rape men). "

woman can rape men!

Paris/Berlin- it could be rape. If I met someone online, found out that they hated Germans but really fancied shagging a French woman, so I went through an elaborate deception to convince them that I came from Paris. I would be deliberately deceiving them in order to have sex, knowing (or believing) that they wouldn't consent to sex if they knew the truth.

Of course, it's pretty much a nonsense scenario because people don't generally care that much about where their sexual partners come from. They might be annoyed but wouldn't be liked to perceive it as rape or report it.

The case reported is not analogous to that. It's more like the scenario a poster above described, where you meet someone, go for a consensual ONS, get blindfolded and then their flatmate comes in and has sex with you.

It's rape.

I agree it's rape.

But what if the man had been underage, 15? Younger? not unheard of for a teenage boy to say he's older.

I'd consider it my responsibility to at least check I wasn't unwittingly taking part in something far more evil.

Which again, is why I struggle to understand why on earth someone would have sex with someone they'd never seen, and not be prepared for some sort of repercussion. For the protection of both parties.

I think your use of the word "persona" is the giveaway. Perhaps you spend so much time in front of the computer that you have forgotten that in the real world there are people (singular person) with physical bodies who are the ones actually having sex, not just virtually constructed persona. One consents to or withholds consent to sex with the corporeal, physical person, not to sex with a virtual persona.