Man mutilates woman and some people think it is hilarious. Depressing.

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horrendous domestic abuse newspaper story

I don't think I've ever posted in this section before, but I saw this and felt the need. The story itself is horrible but actually what has shocked me even more is that I stumbled across it on facebook where there are about a thousand comments beneath the link and the vast majority of them are from people saying how hilarious it is. And most of the people laughing at it are women. I've got a good sense of humour, sometimes even a dark sense of humour, but no matter how black my humour, I just can't see anything even vaguely amusing about a woman being mutilated.

@puds, then at least you aren't as feminist as some of the others.

So you are defining 'feminist' as 'man-hating' then? So a feminist who says she doesn't approve of violence against men is clearly not much of a feminist?

So kind of you to drop by and mansplain to us how we have misunderstood our own political philosophy. Sleep tight, and don't forget to wipe your sweaty palms on your way in.

Come on then, lazocuter, tell us poor misguided wimmin how all feminists are man haters. Despite the fact many of us have male partners, male children, male friends and male family we love very much.

I'm sure we'll understand it once you've mansplained it to us.

I see the @s are back... Won't bother repeating the others' calls for a reality check, since you ain't listening. Or reading.

I agree with lazo that there is a double standard over laughing at female on male violence and of seeing it as justified, the last straw, an act of desperation etc, but never the other way around. Just because the screen shot is from 2007 doesn't make it less valid, does it? He was challenged to show some evidence to back up his point and he did.

I disagree that 'all feminists' don't care about female on male violence, or will laugh at it. That's ridiculous.

But I think I know what he means, though he has expressed it clumsily and unintelligently. Radical Feminists in general put very little effort into denouncing examples of female on male violence (or other perceived anti-male behaviour) when invited to do so. For example on a thread like the one in the screen shot they will sneer and laugh at worst, (the unintelligent minority) dismiss it or aim to justify it (the overwhelming majority) or just ignore it and refuse to engage in a debate about it at best, because they cannot defend the indefensible but as a matter of principle will never take a man's side over a woman's in anything. Even having his cock set alight when he's minding his own business watching TV, because his ex wife is miffed that he can't afford to move out. So their answer is to just ignore it.

Whereas they have an insatiable appetite for discussing/analysing at enormous length much less serious, sometimes quite trivial and tenuous examples of men being a bit shit to women.

It's a bit like the UK masses demanding that all very devout Muslims and Islamic clerics stand up and publicly denounce Islamist terror attacks to prove that as Muslims they are not terrorist sympathisers. Many do of course, but the deafening silence from the remainder does tend to make people rather cynical.

What he showed was a screenshot from chat from 2007 which:

• has was deleted from MN archives after 28 days, as are all posts in chat
• has been posted on other threads from an MRE site many times in the last 8 years
• doesn't have any feminists, radical or otherwise, posting on it, judging from their lack of posts within FWR

Your friend's point was that radical feminists laugh all the time about violence toward males. What he showed was that 8 years ago, some women wrote some horrible things about the subject. If it were feminists, the post would have been from this part of the forum. If it were a regular thing, he would have been able to produce more and more recent screenshots.

No actual feminist would think what was said in that thread was justifiable, because violence isn't justifiable except in self defence.

Presumably, you're not going to be satisfied until every feminist has stated clearly that violence is bad, in the same way as you think all Muslims should stand up and say that terrorism is bad, but, as that is unlikely to happen merely because you will it, you're going to have to remain cynical.

Nice touch comparing feminism to religious extremist terrorists though, not had that one in a while.

I saw this on the lad bible on Facebook
I told several posters to "fuck off' I fully expected a volley of misogynistic abuse but I didn't.

And to add to Puffins' post - if that 2007 thread didn't go on past the first 10 posts to include many posts denouncing the violence, I'd be very surprised.

But...but...further upthread violence on men was denounced and the poster was accused of being a liar

I don't particularly feel the need to go round all day every day saying 'violence is wrong' because to me it is so incredibly obvious as to not need to be said really.

Incidentally, and slightly off topic, I read of a case last week where a man had his genitals set on fire whilst he was asleep, causing serious burns and long term damage. The perpetrators were his friends. They thought it would be a laugh. I may be wrong, and I'm happy to be corrected, but I honestly don't think that I have ever in my life heard of a woman violently assaulting a close friend because they thought it would give everyone a laugh.

I did see this on FB & found it shocking, what makes it worse is that the man would have actually planned this crime in cold blood before he did it.

I remember the Lorena Bobbitt story and thought it was equally bad.

"I agree with lazo that there is a double standard over laughing at female on male violence and of seeing it as justified, the last straw, an act of desperation etc, "

But that's because it is. Men are more socialised to violence, men cause 86% of all violence in the last survey I saw. Women by contrast are socialised to care for others at expense of themselves and are always told that they are incapable of effective violence, and so do not turn to violence so easily. Why is that statistic so easily forgotten and dismissed? There is a power imbalance in gender relations, women usually are the victims, and it usually is a true last act of desperation after years of dismissal!

If you want to claim that on a social level violence is never acceptable, then help us build the more supportive caring society that would stop such problems from escalating to these levels instead of just whinging that there are male victims too. We know that!

I was a teenager when the Bobbitt case was on the news. And I'll be honest, I think I probably did have a giggle at it. But only because I was immature and didn't realise the enormity of it, and what a horrific thing it was to do. As a mature, responsible adult, I certainly don't find violence against men amusing, or 'he had it coming' or whatever.

Yy treacle.

As a society there are many jokes made about injury against men's genitals - "ooh, right in the nads, that's gotta hurt" said with a big smile, etc. A lot of this kind of thing is said by men. Not to condone it, of course.

I would be very surprised if you couldn't find similar posts which mocked the victim about the Moscow case, on forums that were predominantly men.

Do you think that is telling, Yonic? I know men who make jokes about those kind of things. I do it myself, even when on the receiving end. And while the case in the OP is much more serious, the same sort of flippant comments occur. It isn't because anyone thinks less of women, or they aren't seen as human, or she deserved it - it's because we (man and women) deal with these incidents with dark humour, because we are removed from them, and because we don't see them through a political lens.

and are always told that they are incapable of effective violence, and so do not turn to violence so easily

Are we? Who tells us this? I do not respond with violence as it's wrong, not because any one told me I couldn't do it efectively.

I find this a really odd thing to say. Surely women and men who refrain from violence do so because it's wrong not because it might not be effective

People find that funny? Why?
Would gluing the end of a man's foreskin together be similarly hilarious?

To some people it would be funny, yes. That's fairly obvious. We can't go around policing what people will or will not make jokes about. People have made jokes about World War II and 9/11. People in here are upset because this incident impinges upon their political views, but it's a fairly typical human reaction to something that does not affect them directly.

Bishop Sharon Osbourne had the audience in stitches when talking about the bloke's penis been chopped off and put in the garbage unit on the chat show the Talk (clip )

The fact is man are the main cause of violence and also suffer most from violence. Till we can change how men are socialised around violent behaviour it is unlikely to change and even then you have the nature nuture argument about this which I will never get my head round 100%

Still, if that violence was in self defence - do you think you'd be more or less effective against a female or a male assailant, in general?

Laz has been banned (again) I think.