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Changes in how rape will be investigated- about time!

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AWholeLottaNosy · 28/01/2015 22:05

I just read this and I was really pleased. It's about time rape was investigated and prosecuted differently considering the appalling rape conviction rate we have in this country. Imagine there will be an outcry from all the MRAs, but, I think it's very good news...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11375667/Men-must-prove-a-woman-said-Yes-under-tough-new-rape-rules.html

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cailindana · 30/01/2015 14:43

No shaska, I'm assuming he means men. He said he stays away from women.

HouseWhereNobodyLives · 30/01/2015 14:44

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cailindana · 30/01/2015 14:44

If you're gay bigloads then it's pretty normal for you not to have sex with women.

bigloads · 30/01/2015 14:44

they are there to provide a service and get paid .

i like it that way , i pick and choose what i like at any time .
bit like payasyougo for my cock

AnnieLobeseder · 30/01/2015 14:45

What, me personally, bigloads? I'm sad we can't be together though. Sad

Now shaska is being all heteronormative. Tut tut.

cailindana · 30/01/2015 14:45

The men are there to provide a service is it?

Mitchy1nge · 30/01/2015 14:45

if I was a man I would definitely have a go at jizzing into my own mouth

at least as a teen

that ability probably declines with age, life is cruel :(

PetulaGordino · 30/01/2015 14:46

who's paying who now?

cailindana · 30/01/2015 14:46

Petula, bigloads pays men to taste his sperm (I think he means semen) and tell him it's legendary.

Mitchy1nge · 30/01/2015 14:47

payasyougo cock is not a bad idea

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/01/2015 14:47

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bigloads · 30/01/2015 14:47

i still can do that , life has been good to me

MoreBeta · 30/01/2015 14:47

I am afraid 'reading body signals' is about as weak a defence as I could possibly imagine. I have been with my DW for 30 years and of course non verbal signals between us are very much a part of all aspects of our relationship but that is something that has built up over decades and something that I would struggle to write down let alone express under cross examination while being harassed by a barrister. They would sound so weak in the face of the "Did you ask her and did you get a definite 'yes' response" question. That is what a barrister would ask and keep on badgering a defendant over and ask again and again. I just don't think it would be possible to rely on 'non verbal' signals as a substitute defence with this new guidance in a court of law.

People on this thread do not seem to realise that the law does not work in a nuanced way. This 'guidance' will have some positive effect in rape cases where there was no real capacity for consent by the woman so the 'well she didn't say no so I carried on' defence will rightly fail.

As I repeatedly said, the issue is in those cases where there is neither a verbalised 'yes' or a verbalised 'no'. Was she enthusiastic is just a qualitative judgement impossible to prove and very much in the eye of the beholder. I think this guidance will not help and could harm women if we start off down the road of relying on 'non-verbal' signals open to interpretation - at worse it opens up the 'well she came to my flat and took her clothes off and she didn't say no' as a legitimate defence.

I do think a lot of the law on rape needs sorting out but this is a massive missed opportunity.

PetulaGordino · 30/01/2015 14:48

ah ok

tbh it sounds like his sperm may be so powerful that it might make me pregnant just by being on the same interweb forum. i'll be coming for bigloadz for child support for sure

PetulaGordino · 30/01/2015 14:49

morebeta, why do you think your wife would report you as having raped her? that is what would have to happen for you to be in that situation. is this a genuine concern?

shaska · 30/01/2015 14:50

I grovel an apology, and have seen my error.

Thankfully I have you guys and bigloads to show me the way.

bigloads · 30/01/2015 14:51

petula i am sure many hard working men have to provide for your kids already

SardineQueen · 30/01/2015 14:52

Right

So the man on this thread:

Uses prostitutes
Doesn't think men who are suspected of rape should be questioned by the police
Thinks women are all after his money and his sperm in a mug and has what is obviously a hugely inflated sense of his own appeal

Um.

shaska · 30/01/2015 14:52

The joy of a man of a certain age still being able to come in his own mouth.

Life has been good to him indeed.

bigloads · 30/01/2015 14:52

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PetulaGordino · 30/01/2015 14:53

i have kids?? where???

HouseWhereNobodyLives · 30/01/2015 14:57

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SardineQueen · 30/01/2015 14:58

What does that mean bigloads?

So you rape someone and then threaten them until they say that they wanted it?

You guys are getting that this person is actually a scary bastard aren;t you? I mean it's funny and all but seriously it's kind of not?

bigloads · 30/01/2015 15:00

it means the tactics of the rapist is to confirm acceptance is it not ?

guy rapes bird , guy says thanks for the lovely night on facebook twitter to give evidence of acceptance .

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/01/2015 15:02

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