ISIS and women

[Spacemen3]

This may be a bit of a dumb-ass start to a thread..but I was reading about the Yazidi women and girls who escaped from ISIS...and also recently I watched a documentary about the Islamic girls schools that are being expanded in Afghanistan...

Are most of ISIS objectives for their new caliphate about owning/controlling/abusing women? What else is in their manifesto specifically?...i know everyone one will be an observant Muslim/pray/grow beards/not drink blah de blah..

Am I being stupid, or is that pretty much the crux of it???

Are most of ISIS objectives for their new caliphate about owning/controlling/abusing women?

I would have thought so.

i know everyone one will be an observant Muslim/pray/grow beards/not drink blah de blah...

be expected to be fully covered in public, not be allowed out in public without a close male relative, be expected to obey their husband in every decision, not be allowed to earn a living without their male relative's permission blah de blah...

This thread won't really go anywhere because we are supposed to be afraid of objecting to "deeply held beliefs" in religion.
When the world becomes secular, governed by reason and science, women will finally be free.

Most conquering armies from the dawn of time have used the subjugation of women as a weapon of fear. I have no reason to think that ISIL are going to be any different.

puffins rather than using it as a weapon though, it seems to be their objective

And yet silly wee girls run off to join that particular circus. World gone mad.

I'm not meaning this to be a criticism of Islam, at all. I don't equate Islam and ISIS, whatever their claims are

They (IS) are cavemen.

Same difference Spacemen. It's the same in all conflicts, religious or secular.

It's not a Muslim thing, it's men wanting to control. Religion can be used as one excuse for it, but there are plenty of secular and "scientific" excuses too

I'm not trying to differentiate religious conflict from secular

Forget that they are religious for a moment

I understand the use of sexual violence in warfare. But it seems that once the caliphate is established, assume there is no war...IS appear to want ownership of women as slaves to be normal. And as far as I can tell they have no other ambitions do they have a manifesto?

along with the woman issue no it's not their only objective, they want to "clense" out homosexuals, Jews, the western world.

they are as mad as a box of frogs, a box that needs squashing pretty sharpish imo.

In that they are no different from conquerers from the beginning of time. And not much different than those in conflicts during the 20th century.

But it seems that once the caliphate is established, assume there is no war...IS appear to want ownership of women as slaves to be normal.

Well, yes, that's the extreme interpretation of Islam. And I don't think they are unique in an ideal world view that subjugates and persecutes women. Look at the Taliban.

And as far as I can tell they have no other ambitions

Well, they're not too friendly towards non-muslims of either sex. I couldn't find much on their attitude to gay people, but I think it's fairly safe to presume it wouldn't be favourable.

I thought they want to reestablish the Caliphate

Interesting article here

As well as being their idea of a desirable state of arranging human affairs, it also brings on the Apocalypse to 2076 (Muhamed ibn Abdullah 12 Caliph in Syria?) and that leads to the full glory.

So I suppose one question is: are there any alternative candidate Caliphs?

If they're like the Taliban then they don't believe in the education of women. They are also very strict on segregation of the sexes.
I'm assuming that No male drs will be allowed to tend to females and no females will be allowed an education to become medically qualified.

And on the question of what the 'manifesto' for the caliphate is - in March 2014 Special Forces raided the home of a senior ISIS commander. Among the items found in the residence was a manifesto written by what appears to be the Islamic State Cabinet Member, Abdullah Ahmed al-Meshedani, aka Abu Kassem. Reportedly the director of foreign fighter and suicide bomber transport, little is known about al-Meshedani's present life. These documents, however, are purported to give rare insight not only into his vision for the Islamic State but also the Islamic State's current and future plans.

Have any of pps with an interest in studying the ISIS agenda seen a translation of these? I have only found them on subscription websites so far.

There is a video clip of ISIS blindfolding and throwing gay men from a high rooftop in one of their occupied cities. There is another of Boko Haram taking truckloads of men, hands bound, to a high bridge, where they shoot them in the head and toss them into the river below. Their crime was to be Christian, and refusing to convert to Islam. Then there was the captured Nigerian pilot who's head was stoved in with a hammer.

These chaps don't like anyone, really.

For the record there's a school of thought (Durkheim) that suggests religion, or at least organised religion, exists solely for social control. The monotheistic religions, as centralised highly-organised twaddle, fit well into that thought. In that context, its not odd how women are so frequently the most rule-bound members of the societies.

Here's a brief intro www.cf.ac.uk/socsi/undergraduate/introsoc/durkheim6.html Just to back House up.

I found stories such as

america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/7/20/syrian-women-qaedarebels.html

Interesting where women wish to fight on an equal footing with men. I couldn't find the story I was trying to remember of a women who was told to go home and breed freedom fighter.

Reason and science can be just as oppressive

As ISIS? Really? What scientific or secular programme or regime is promoting anything remotely comparable?

Even if it were true , what a pointless comment.