"If Mugging was treated the same way as rape"

[Tsoukalosy]

Sorry if someone has already posted this already, but I just saw this: This

I think it has summed it up perfectly.

They had a bit of a party here last night I think, buffy.

Just normal friday night behaviour for Paul Elam's mates. Saddos.

Not victim blaming advice which puts the responsibility for not raping women on the people who can prevent rapes.

HTH

Most peoples response to "my friend mugged/robbed me" would be what a wanker, not are you sure you didn't give them the money

FFS

Can't remember who said that upthread

Yoff woba your verbal exchanges do sound very sound at first... however, it can stray into some dangerous territory. For example, "don't put your good on display or they might get stolen" can translate into "don't wear a skirt higher than ankle length, or a cropped top, or a plunge neckline because if you do and you are raped you contributed to it".

What a surprise, yoffwoba only started posting yesterday and only trolling posting on the feminism boards.

Knock me down with a feather!

I need some clarification here.

If a woman is drunk, she is not capable of giving consent.

If consent has not been given, she has been raped?

And yet there were plenty of posters happy to share their drunken night 'shags' on a recent 'Chat' thread that asked 'What's the worst thing you have done when drunk' (Or something similar)

Were they all raped?

(Sorry if I am being particularly thick here)

There are pretty clear legal definitions of what constitutes too drunk to consent, Partial. They are all based on common sense, like whether the drunk person can stand up, walk, speak, remember their address and so on. Seriously, would you want to shag a person who was in that state? Before you say 'but what about ...', if you're both so trashed your IQ has gone down to 10, you're both culpable of not getting consent. A court would recognise that.

So, it's just how drunk she was?

But many of the women who contributed to the 'Worst thing you did when drunk' seemed quite proud of shagging the men they did, regardless of any consent given at any moment during the act by either partner.

Having sex while drunk is not a crime. FFS.

Having sex while drunk is not a crime. FFS.

Are you pissed?

I've just had a flick through that thread. Yes, some of them were raped. The little blue sadfaces are often a clue. I'm pissed in the American sense, not the British one.

It's not how drunk she is, it's whether she consents. A drunk woman indicating her enthusiasm for sex isn't going to be raped, she's going to have consensual sex. A woman who is passive, uncommunicative, unconscious… she isn't consenting to sex. Men who say they can't tell the difference and need absolute hard and fast rules that don't rely on them checking with their sexual partner that she consents are either very, very stupid or cynical liars. Or rapists.

A drunk woman indicating her enthusiasm for sex isn't going to be raped, she's going to have consensual sex. A woman who is passive, uncommunicative, unconscious… she isn't consenting to sex.

Thanks Buffy that makes sense. But is it always so simple to do define?

Exactly Garlic, a man who is not a rapist will have the common sense to know this woman doesn't know what she's doing without being given rules.

I'm not sure about the idea of if a man was too drunk to consent, in that case they're not normally sober enough to take part. Far more will required on his side.

I am assuming you're a man, Partial, because I can't imagine a woman pursuing this particular, narrow line of thought quite so intensely. Are you saying you have sex with passive, uncommunicative women who can't exert their own will?

That would undoubtedly make you better in bed, too, Buffy

GGG: Are you saying you have sex with passive, uncommunicative women who can't exert their own will?

Yeah! Of course!

Helpme understand:
I'm not sure about the idea of if a man was too drunk to consent, in that case they're not normally sober enough to take part. Far more will required on his side.

I thought a lot of men rape when drunk. It's not a physical (sexual) act, it's an act of power.

Partial, I don't understand what your point has to do with what I said.