"If Mugging was treated the same way as rape"

[Tsoukalosy]

Sorry if someone has already posted this already, but I just saw this: This

I think it has summed it up perfectly.

TBF the "she was drunk" "she was wearing the wrong clothes" defences don't usually get past CPS. Unless you were battered and bruised by a stranger you're not likely to get past CPS.

Can I ask you, how many times have you tried to get a case through CPS?

Oh and also to be honest most men aren't stupid enough to use those defences, they say it was consenting then the police have to prove it wasn't which they can't do so it doesn't get past CPS.

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The poster reads "1 in 3 reported rapes happen when the women has been drinking"

The poster's just stating a fact. What's your point?

"Most rapes are not even reported to the police,"

And you know this how? How can anyone other than those involved know the existence of crimes that aren't reported?

There are plenty of surveys and studies been done where women have been asked, you can read Everyday Sexism for story after story of women who haven't reported it.

You still haven't answered my question, how much experience do you have of getting a crime past CPS?

The poster's just stating a fact. What's your point?

A fact that is irrelevant, uncorrelated to rape statistics and plastered across the NHS. You asked how in today's "feminist" society rapists are not prosecuted because excuses like "she was drunk" or "she was wearing x and y" actually work with judges and jurors? This is how.

Surveys aren't worth much if we don't know the sample size and if they are biased or unbiased.

A biased survey can get any result the surveyor wishes simply by carefully selecting participants who are likely to give the desired answers for example.

I could do a survey but only asking people coming out of a football stadium if they liked football and then announce "98% of the population likes football!". But that would be biased if I didn't say who the participants were, and the survey would be useless.

Surveys can also ask misleading/ambiguous questions whose answers could be twisted to mean what the surveyor wants them to be.

Yoff.

Smoke alarm: gives advance warning of hazard. Rapists do not give advance warning. There is no 'rapist alarm' like a smoke alarm. Example is null.

Lock house/car: if you propose that this advice has an analogy in rape, you must imagine women can somehow lock themselves up. Example is null.

Watch your valuables: Women are constantly watchful for danger. Example is valid.

Your ideas are victim-blaming because you believe there are protective measures that can help women avoid being raped by rapists. There aren't. You want to tell women there's some way they could/should know when a rapist's going to rape them, and could/should be able to avoid it. In doing this, you take some of the responsibility for rape away from the rapist. You put that responsibility on his victims. Why would you do that?

"A fact that is irrelevant"

So the 33% of women who were allegedly raped while drunk would still have been raped if they had stayed sober that night?

"1 in 3 reported rapes happen when the women has been drinking"

This logically tells us that 2 in 3 reported rapes happen when the woman has not been drinking.

If you insist on abiding by this stupid poster, and the equally stupid implication that women can influence whether rapists rape, then you should be advising women to drink, since this may halve their chance of being raped.

Murder rises with icecream sales. Proven fact. Does icecream cause murder?

"advising women to drink, since this may halve their chance of being raped."

I take it logic isn't your strong point

Not when I'm following your logic, Yoff, no!

1 in 3 when had been drinking.

Means the other 2 out of every 3 had not been drinking.

Logic.

Considering she called it "equally stupid" I don't think she was trying to give a sensible logical soloution. But it makes sense, it's safer to get drunk than it is to be sober, 66% of rape happens sober. It also makes sense not to hang around with anyone who eats icecream because they're more likely to kill you.

Well it does if we don't know the difference between correlation and causation.

"Means the other 2 out of every 3 had not been drinking."

The flaw in your logic is you assume the sober victims would have avoided being raped if they had drank alcohol.

Alcohol doesn't compare to ice-cream. Ice-cream generally doesn't lower inhibitions, increase confidence, make people fancy people they wouldn't fancy otherwise etc etc

"Murder rises with icecream sales. Proven fact. Does icecream cause murder?"

Ad-hoc fallacy comes to mind there. It might, it might not. Further research would be needed.

What? Are you suggesting alcohol makes women fancy rapists?

No, but have you ever heard of the term "beer goggles"?

No, but have you ever heard of the term "beer goggles"?

Wow. So how are you not blaming the victim there? She drank so she fancied the rapist a bit, maybe flirted...

"She drank so she fancied the rapist a bit, maybe flirted..."

I don't know, I wasn't there. (and how is anyone supposed to know if any random person is a rapist just by looking at them exactly?)

But even if she did, the male should know women can't give consent while drunk and not had sex with her even if she made the advances. Right?

Right. So then saying she was raped because she'd been drinking is victim blaming.

Also, if the rapist was in a bar, and the woman who caught his eye to rape wasn't drunk enough, do you think he just gave in and went home?

More likely he just found another woman who he felt he could rape - perhaps because she was drunk.

So you haven't prevented rape happening at all.

Rapists cause rape, not drunk women.

Drink is heavily involved in a lot of rapes - because the rapist drinks not because the victim drinks. That is a bigger mitigating factor. So where are all the posters telling men not to drink in case they rape someone?

And making analogies to looking after possessions or smoke alarms seems to imply that women can just lock up their vaginas. You are aware that we are people who are entitled to be out in public and drink (with our vaginas)? We are entitled to do that without being raped too. Treating women like objects to be 'watched' is not acceptable.

If all the women in the world stopped drinking, women would still be raped. It's not the root of the problem, it's not even a symptom.

Not to mention the fact that 90% of rapes happen by someone the victim knows. Over 50% are in the home.

"How can anyone other than those involved know the existence of crimes that aren't reported?" We listen to women. Lots of them. We hear what they say.

And lol to the old mansplaining of stats. Because we just haven't gone through that enough times! And none of us have ever been involved with the gathering of stats and research, ever.