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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Would You Like to Share a Prison Cell with This Person? **MNHQ edit, this post contains rather graphic material**

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CKDexterHaven · 22/08/2014 17:49

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2014/08/22/laverne-cox-launches-media-campaign-in-support-of-transwoman-synthia-china-blast-convicted-for-the-rape-murder-and-abuse-of-the-corpse-of-thirteen-year-old-ebony-nicole-williams/#comments

I particularly like the bit about giving birth to little baby serial killers. Is this the kind of campaign feminism should be getting behind?

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CKDexterHaven · 28/08/2014 00:43

I don't think there is specifically an overlap between transwomen and sex offenders. My argument is transwomen are men and have the same rates of sexual offending as men, even post-transition. The reason we have sex-segregated facilities is to minimise potential harm to women. While I can see that many transwomen wouldn't want to use men's facilities it is throwing women's safety under a bus to say that transwomen should use women's facilities.

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kim147 · 28/08/2014 09:00

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Beachcomber · 28/08/2014 10:18

The person referred to in the OP is a sex offender though. A violent one who raped and murdered a child. So I think women should be allowed to discuss this situation and Cox's championing of a sex offender in terms of, um, sex offence. Non?

As an aside, there was a US study done on transgender people in prison with regards to how to house them safely and the stats showed that nearly half of MtT inmates are in prison for sexual offences (AKA violence against women) I don't have time just now but I'll see later if I can find the study. I don't think I bookmarked it though.

ArcheryAnnie · 28/08/2014 10:35

I think that if a male-bodied person insists on their right to access women's space and women's bodies, over the expressly stated wishes of many women, then I am going to think they are exactly the type of person who is at risk of committing a sex crime, whether they be men or trans women.

If they have a track record of respecting women's spaces and women's bodies, I will be far less likely to view them as a potential threat.

andiewithanie · 28/08/2014 11:53

kim - none that would satisfy, i can't imagine. but having spent many years as part of the trans community, and having seen a huge number engage in innappropriate behaviour and then go on to transition when the guilt it caused them grief, and having seen many trans make unreasonable absive demands of their partners.

www.gazettenet.com/home/3191189-95/benvenuto-husband-book-gender

ArcheryAnnie · 28/08/2014 12:19

Andie - I just clicked on and read that article, and it contained this gem of a sentence that rather perfectly sums up how this whole issue has played out on social media:

"The book sparked a local protest that included Margaret Cerullo, a Hampshire College professor of sociology, who admited she hasn’t read the book, but nevertheless called it hurtful, containing negative stereotypes about transgender people based on excerpts she read online."

andiewithanie · 28/08/2014 14:05

it is typical, and it's why so much of the work of gender critical feminists is so widely misunderstood: see janice raymond's interview in counterpunch

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