FemiFest

[FloraFox]

www.femifest2014.com

Anyone going? I'm thinking about it.

[lemonmuffin1]

How on earth does 'Im pretty sure' make all the difference? Either you mean it or you don't.

[QueenStromba]

It's completely different from saying "the only trans women who would want to go to a radfem conference are the transactivist minority who would be there to make trouble". Are you really saying you can't see the difference? One is a statement of fact, the other is an opinion on the more likely scenario without excluding the other possibilities.

[ICanHearYou]

It sounds great but I think this sort of thing should happen in a field with tents rather than in a warehouse in central London.

[QueenStromba]

But that would be excluding people who don't like fields and tents!

[lemonmuffin1]

I am well acquainted with the issues, thankyou, Buffy.

I still think it is reasonable to welcome transwomen to attend so that they can listen, understand and maybe contribute to the discussions.

If there is any kind of trouble then of course the offender should be made to leave.

[QueenStromba]

So you are saying that biological females shouldn't be allowed to gather without biological males?

[ICanHearYou]

Thats fine, I am not suggesting anyone else should feel the same, that is just what I believe!

[FloraFox]

A better comparison would be a white person attending a meeting for black activists discussing race. Why should women be expected to make room to listen to everyone?

[7Days]

why lemon?
Not everyone is welcome everywhere, after all. Why should they be. Not at this event, but welcome at one next week. etc etc. Grown ups do just accept that

[FloraFox]

ican fields and tents sounds good

[ICanHearYou]

I don't think anyone would have an issue with transsexuals gathering without women. So why is it an issue the other way round?

[lemonmuffin1]

As far as I understand it, discrimination on the grounds of sex, race and sexuality is illegal. And rightly so.

Why not just welcome any woman who would like to attend, whether they are biological, trans or cis. Live and let live?

[antimatter]

I have question. What about women socialised as women but in different cultures. How is that reconciled?

[ICanHearYou]

Perhaps lemon because a number of the issues facing women at the moment is due to the insistence of the trans-movement that they are 'women' the same as a biological woman is a woman despite not having the same socialisation or issues (such as menstruation, childbirth etc)

[ICanHearYou]

also, we are not allowed to 'live and let live' the word 'woman' has been barstardised to include anyone who calls themselves a woman without a single fuck about where that leaves biological women and actually whether we are okay with the word woman becoming ambiguous. These are all things that might be discussed at such a gathering.

[7Days]

why not just invite any old men of the street either?

after all if one can't discriminate....

[ICanHearYou]

Well 7 if he says 'I am a woman' even after 58 years of being socialised as a man then he is a 'woman' according to some people. So under the rules that lemon is proposing he would be allowed in.

[QueenStromba]

Also, in the UK trans women with a GRC aren't legally women for all purposes and those without one aren't legally women at all.

[ICanHearYou]

Thats a good point just

so if a man decides to announce that he 'feels like a woman' he can then enter the olympics on the womans team?

[CaptChaos]

Are many Conservatives welcomed into the Labour Party conference? Or does the Labour Party reserve the right to only have it's own party faithful and activists there for those few days?

Should we all write to the Labour Party and demand that they let UKIP come along and vocally represent themselves?

Or should we let politically and ideologically opposed people have a few days a year where they can discuss their own issues without a shit load of whataboutery going on?

[NormaStanleyFletcher]

The feminism in London conference later in the year accepts feminists of all hues and biology. If trans women want to go to that they are welcome. WAAB should be able to gather and talk.

I would love to go. So much so that I may book my summer holiday accordingly.

[QueenStromba]

Antimatter - girls are socialised shoddily in every culture. British girls have it better than most other countries, I would imagine. You'd think Japan would be quite progressive. I uni friend of mine moved back there five or six years ago. She had no choice other than to live in the family home because she needed her father to co-sign a rental agreement and he refused.