Not all men

[AskBasil]

Interesting article here

but I feel in the interests of honesty I should point out I am going to bed now. smile

Me too

Of those of us you refer to as you guys/ feminists, lemon

Those deletions are boggling. In the context of all the race hate casually introduced up thread.

Mn doesn't read the thread, they delete individual posts that break guidelines. I didn't see flora's but I guess it was meant as a joke but would be a PA on the face of it?

A PA, perhaps, but not one that was reported by the intended 'victim', me, and I expressed quite clearly that I was amused. Soooooo.

Ah, ok. If Kim asked them to take a general look at the thread they may have deleted (seeming) PAs in passing.

Periodically it's debated on Site Stuff if only the subject of a PA should be allowed to request its deletion but MNHQ are always against that (and I tend to agree with them)

Fair enough so! Night all.

MNHQ agreed the post was islamophobic several hours before you did, kim.

FWIW.

They've been watching the thread since I asked them to, which was a fair while back.

Honestly, I think a heck of a lot more is delete-worthy, but there we go.

They said, because we'd all been very clear about where you were wrong.

They did accept later on it was getting beyond acceptable.

What you said was Islamophobic.

I think you said it because there is something going on with you. I don't know what that is. I have said before on this thread that I think you are not posting like the person I thought you were at all.

I think you easily can be racist without feeling hate or even mild dislike for people minority and oppressed groups, though. All you have to do is identify them with their dominant ideological inscription, which is what you did WRT Muslims. If all racism was simple burn-the-fuckers hatred it would be easy to dismiss and defeat. Same as sexism, in this regard. I have heard many deeply sexist men claim to love women. In fact, I've never heard a man making that statement whom I did not find to be deeply sexist. Just because you mean well and have happy feelings toward Muslims, for.example, doesn't mean you haven't participated in their oppression by unquestioningly reifying their social.construction as terrorists.

To be really clear for your mind, it was when you associated Muslims with terrorism, then refused to consider that terrorism law might itself disproportionately affect Muslims, then went looking for.figures to prove your point, which you were so keen to do you misread those figures and then failed absolutely to retract or reconsider any one of those steps. It may hurt to be accused of islamaphobia but tbh I think it's probably slightly more hurtful to be actually Islamic, under the circumstances.

I really appreciate you saying that, kim.

Kim, are you ok? You've rally not seemed like yourself today.

Sorry for the slight detour here!

So what's the consensus here?

Is "Not all X" to be considered typically inappropriate and self-centered?

I don't think we have a consensus, and I don't think we should feel we need to have one. We do need to be able to debate.

Or is it not all "Not all X"?

:O

Welcome to MN, montmorency1.