Amnesty International says laws against buying sex breach men's human rights

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545003/Amnesty-calls-legal-prostitution-Charity-says-laws-ban-people-buying-selling-sex-breach-human-rights.html

The organisation is planning to adopt a position that calls for the full decriminalisation of the sex industry, including johns and pimps.

It is tabling a paper for its UK branch to vote on that says it is a human right for 'consenting adults' to purchase sexual consent from another person (regardless of the desperate circumstances that person may be in, presumably). The paper also devotes time to that latest favourite cover-all for sex-industry advocates, 'the rights of the disabled', as a reason to allow the continuing expansion of the global sex industry with no oversight or concern from governments.

Apparently the human rights of the (overwhelmingly) women and girls who are coerced, trafficked and enslaved inside the sex industry to satisfy the demand from men for paid sex are of no concern.

Oh, sorry - Amnesty does remember to devote a whole two words to this, conceding that prostitution takes place in an 'imperfect context'. That would presumably be the context of a worldwide patriarchy that devalues female human beings, denies them education, safety and fairly paid work, and tells men they have the right to use their bodies for sex regardless of their actual desires. Not to mention, systemic racism, colonialism and exploitative capitalism.

Good to know Amnesty is prepared to stand up for the most vulnerable people on earth - male sex buyers.

Well quite, Briar. The shills would do better at spreading their crap if they learned how to use paragraphs, don't you think? I'm going to take When's word that zeffa's posts are not worth reading.

Arf: Garth's Uncle (see what I did there )

Yes the old "hard facts" technique. He thinks Mansplaining Level 1 will be enough for the Mummies. Oh dear.

Maybe Garth's Uncle is the guy who thinks Mansplaining Level 1 is appropriate for MNers?

Yes! I got in first!

So.... taking punters (men) out of the equation won;t solve the problem of violence toward prostituted women? There's another group of people who want to have sex on them maybe? Please at least think before you comment!

and Arf at Garth's Uncle, wish I could meet this amazing chap, one of the great thinkers of our time.

for GarthsUncle

It's the height of male entitlement to say that a man can buy "intimacy" from a prostitute - the thing you absolutely cannot buy is intimacy. The illusion of intimacy, maybe. But reading p-net or the invisible man tells me that those punters wanting intimacy are vanishingly rare. They want an orgasm - and they want it without having to treat the prostitute as any kind of equal participant.

Is it just that finds it devastatingly ironic that a punter comes onto FWR to lecture us to 'take a rape victim extremely seriously'

You're talking to a rape victim right here, zeffa. Perhaps you'd like to take my views on the sexual equality of women extremely seriously. ?

Just a thought.

Is it just me that finds...

SabrinaMulhollandJjones - I can not begin to imagine what you went through being raped. I am so sorry that happened but, obviously words are meaningless in such a situation. You do, however make points regarding the impossibility of purchasing intimacy. I am sure you are correct, people can never purchase true intimacy, however they can buy an approximation and provided sex workers are prepared to sell that approximation and purchasers are prepared to pay the price that is, ultimately a matter between two consenting adults. I do not feel the need to tell others how to live their lives. It is, I think a shame that others believe that they have a right to tell consenting adults how they ought to live.

I don't want your pleasantries or sympathies about my rape thank you.

What I would like is for men like you to start imagining what sexual equality for women would look like. It would be that no man would ever feel entitled to fuck a woman who didn't want to fuck them. Not even if he waves cash at them.

Sabrina

YY Sabrina. Ugh...

CaptChaos - You seem to believe that prohibiting the purchase of sexual services would take men out of the equation. I don't agree. Men (and some women) would still buy sex but the provision of sexual services would be driven further underground rendering the safety of sex workers and clients more dangerous than it is at present.
The provision of sexual services through escort agencies would continue even if such a ban where introduced. It is extremely difficult to police what goes on in hotel rooms and private residences behind closed doors. The client requests the presence of an escort, the police have no way of knowing, short of breaking down the door whether the client and escort are engaged in sexual activity or another activity such as chatting, consequently you can not take men (I would say clients) out of the equation.

Sorry, zeffa - nothing to say to me?

What zeffa wants us to do is to listen to someone who is a rape victim that says something he agrees with.

He doesn't want to listen to another rape victim (one right here

Thanks flora and briar.

zeffa - you really now just want to move onto the logistics of catching the punters?

What about thinking about the punter's choices here?

Rapists use physical force, coercion, threats, weapons to rape a woman. Punters use money. Plus, sometimes, some of the above too.

They're all trying to get sex from women who don't want to have sex with them. That's what needs to stop - men thinking they are entitled to sex with women who don't want to have sex with them.

zeffa not criminalising men who want to exploit vulnerable women tells all men that this is acceptable and normalised in our society. This will lead to more demand, more women, more misery.

If punters can find women, it's not underground.

An "approximation of intimacy" = the opposite of intimacy.

I really don't understand this "it's hard to police so let's not bother" angle.

It's hard to police a lot of illegal things - underage drinking, domestic violence, child abuse - we don't just go "meh!" about it.