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Amnesty International says laws against buying sex breach men's human rights

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DonkeySkin · 28/01/2014 08:36

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545003/Amnesty-calls-legal-prostitution-Charity-says-laws-ban-people-buying-selling-sex-breach-human-rights.html

The organisation is planning to adopt a position that calls for the full decriminalisation of the sex industry, including johns and pimps.

It is tabling a paper for its UK branch to vote on that says it is a human right for 'consenting adults' to purchase sexual consent from another person (regardless of the desperate circumstances that person may be in, presumably). The paper also devotes time to that latest favourite cover-all for sex-industry advocates, 'the rights of the disabled', as a reason to allow the continuing expansion of the global sex industry with no oversight or concern from governments.

Apparently the human rights of the (overwhelmingly) women and girls who are coerced, trafficked and enslaved inside the sex industry to satisfy the demand from men for paid sex are of no concern.

Oh, sorry - Amnesty does remember to devote a whole two words to this, conceding that prostitution takes place in an 'imperfect context'. That would presumably be the context of a worldwide patriarchy that devalues female human beings, denies them education, safety and fairly paid work, and tells men they have the right to use their bodies for sex regardless of their actual desires. Not to mention, systemic racism, colonialism and exploitative capitalism.

Good to know Amnesty is prepared to stand up for the most vulnerable people on earth - male sex buyers.

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NiceTabard · 30/01/2014 22:30

Sorry that was to domina.

SinisterSal · 30/01/2014 22:30

Domina - what do you think of the men who paid you for sex when you were homeless and drug addicted? what's your opinion of those individuals?

rhinoceer · 30/01/2014 22:30

That is a quote from "BuffytheReasonableFeminist"

WhentheRed · 30/01/2014 22:31

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FloraFox · 30/01/2014 22:33

Domina good people help other people without making spunking inside them a pre-requisite. I'm truly sorry that your experience in life has been so awful that you have not encountered this.

JoinYourPlayfellows · 30/01/2014 22:34

Isn't it lovely and symmetrical how a punter and a happy hooker (who used to be homeless and drug addicted, but selling her body did her good) have shown up to tell us all a thing or two?

rhinoceer · 30/01/2014 22:37

Who is the punter you speak of? Do you have evidence to back up that accusaton?

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/01/2014 22:45

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NiceTabard · 30/01/2014 22:45

No, I mean don;t quote me as saying "prostitutes can't be raped" out of context. The context in that point being the attitudes of much of society globally. Which causes a huge problem.

In the UK people have worked hard to overcome the "prostitutes can't be raped" attitude. I think things are better than they were 30 years ago, in that sense.

So, don't quote me out of context.

FloraFox · 30/01/2014 22:45

Interesting. Is it harmful to be described as a punter? If so, why?

NiceTabard · 30/01/2014 22:47

flora had the right idea I think though I am terrible at disengaging.

Is there going to be another link about what happened earlier today in NI? The link went to a front page and I couldn't see the clip about the proposals.

FloraFox · 30/01/2014 22:50

Me too NT, I try but often fail.

I watched the evidence of the IUSW a couple of weeks ago. I think it takes about two days for the webcast to go up on the archive. Rachel Moran also spoke today but I didn't see that part but I'll be looking out for it. I must say, I was very impressed by the Committee on both hearings.

WhentheRed · 30/01/2014 22:50

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rhinoceer · 30/01/2014 22:53

Then what do you mean by "bought actual women"?

rhinoceer · 30/01/2014 22:54

Well at least we can agree on the fact sex workers can be raped just like anyone else.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/01/2014 23:02

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NiceTabard · 30/01/2014 23:02

I will definitely keep an eye out for that link, I would like to see it.

I just can't believe what I have read from AI on all of this, and that they aren't offering a more robust response. You'd think they'd be distancing themselves from it PDQ ASAP etc.

rhinoceer · 30/01/2014 23:05

I don't know what you meant.

As for AI perhaps they actually listened to the people who have experience in sex work as opposed to the people who are well-intentioned but don't have experience in sex work?

SinisterSal · 30/01/2014 23:05

So what's your angle rhinoceer? what's your qualification?

WhentheRed · 30/01/2014 23:07

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NiceTabard · 30/01/2014 23:07
JoinYourPlayfellows · 30/01/2014 23:08

Yes, like the way when they decide on policy with regard to prisoners they should only consult with people who make their living out of being prison guards.

Because, as everyone knows, someone with a vested interest is always going to give you the most useful information.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/01/2014 23:14

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rhinoceer · 30/01/2014 23:19

WhentheRed why should AI give priority to what feminists say over what sex workers say? What makes your opinion more valuable?

Grennie · 30/01/2014 23:20

AI say publically they have worked with sex worker organisations to draft this policy. On twitter someone tweeted that the man who owns the biggest escort agency in the North of England is an AI member. I know this is the same man who sponsors the International Sex Workers Union.

The ISWU is a pimp sponsored front, If you don't believe me, read their own answers to questions put to them by a parliamentary committee in NI and recorded in Hansard.

My guess is that this is who AI has been working with. This policy written by a pimp organisation, makes perfect sense.