I support Page 3, who's with me?

[Beth9009]

This might not go down well, but I cannot accept the campaign to ban Page 3. Here's why:

There is nothing wrong with the naked female body. A woman posing with her breasts on show is not lewd nor is it harmful to children.

Hypocrisy - Page 3 is no different to male models posing shirtless in women's magazines.

Prudishness - People who claim that newspapers should be banned from showing topless women are no different to the Victorians or to people in conservative parts of the world who don't allow women to show bare legs. It's the same principle.

Market mechanisms - if there is a demand for something and a consenting adult willing to supply it, then who is the government to get in the way?

Freedom of choice - if you don't like it, don't buy the Sun!

Muslim feminists do.

Modern feminists do.

HTH

I'm not with you. What Tunip said. And everyone else.

they bloody are! Read threads on MN before making your generalisations
Not that you will read or reply to this

Is your knowledge of feminism based solely on what the menz tell you? Nasty harridans trying to ban page three, get men sacked and probably accusing innocent men of rape when she was clearly asking for it. Because I don't know where else you could have gained such a blinkered view.

OP's gone from "I love page 3, you're all insecure prudes" to "modern feminists not doing enough to tackle patriarchal religion" all in the space of one thread.

I must say, I'm impressed

Beth I am currently reading a book called 'the purity myth' by Jessica Valenti. It is a feminist book that discusses in detail how religion and society value women's virginity yet conversely want them to always appear sexually available. It is a very interesting read. I think you should look into feminism before pretending you know what feminism does and doesn't support.

Why are people bothering? The OP is just piss taking.

At least...I HOPE so!!! Surely no one can be that....obtuse? (For want of a better word).

I don't know router you're probably right.

Her other thread in AIBU went like this. Is it carefully constructed persona. Are we talking to 58 year old man? Or is Beth really about to stand as UKIP MEP?

Tis the mystery of mumsnet.

" And when boys are being brought up to believe that he is the most perfect man to walk the Earth, and when they are being told that God sanctioned this as moral behaviour because at the time it was socially acceptable, I think that it could have a disastrous effect. And it does."

It probably does - but strangely, earlier on you were blaming the poor treatment of women in arabic countries on the fact they don't get their titis out in public! Where as you are know arguing that their religious leader treating women like objects and commodities is. So which is it, eh?

"now" and "is the cause"

You're not part of that stupid campaign (forgot the name, sorry) to pit older feminists against the new "choice" feminists with the aim that we will all spontaneously combust, are you? I hope not, because it is ridiculous and you are making yourself look a bit of tit on here, tbh. (excuse the pun)

Sauce, I think (as a professional actress) that there is too much about the OP that appears rehearsed, and almost taking pleasure in the debate she has instigated. She (he??) does NOT strike me as someone deeply passionate about this.

He reminds me of so many actors in the industry.

I totally see that.

We maybe deleted for troll hunting

Porto - is there a campaign?

I love the younger feminists! So much better than I was. I thought watching Euro 96 and downing pints was feminism. I got sidetracked by laddism [hangs head]

Are you John Hemming ?

Haha brilliant!! Fame at last!!!

PortofinoRevisited

I put the poor treatment of women in Arabic countries down to both sexual conservatism and the legitimisation of sexual abuse of women by the Quran. There is no conflict in my position.

On the one hand, Muslim men in strict religious societies are being brought up without knowing what a naked woman looks like, and without the kind of visual stimulation that we have here in the West. But on the other, they are reading about their prophet who kept a hareem of sex slaves and was probably getting non stop action. Not only does their holy text say that the rape of women and children can be okay, but their society causes them to be sexually frustrated, so they take it out on the women.

I don't think it was a real campaign, I think a couple of MRAs thought they were being very clever, which they weren't, because they didn't even know which wave was which or what existing splits there are in feminism.

What makes you think your views and opinions are more valid than Muslim feminists and those feminists actually living in Muslim based countries Beth? What makes you think that feminisrd all over the world aren't speaking out all the time about the subjugation of women?

And in answer to you previous question as to what the biggest problem facing feminism is: male violence. Sorry to disappoint you and all but y'know it's the root of women's oppression. It is pretty vital to tackle it. In fact what you are objecting to is rem male violence. Fancy that!

Um - Beth - sexual frustration is not the cause of rape.

You have to be a bloke surely. No intelligent woman would make that argument.

You have to be a bloke surely. No intelligent woman would make that argument.

And there we have it.

And Beth, you DO know that in Muslim households, women aren't covered head to foot ALL the time, don't you. They don't wear burqas to bed.