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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Join me, if you will, in envisaging the feminist pub

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LRDMaguliYaPomochTebeSRaboti · 17/09/2013 14:35

Inspired by the obvious thread, I feel we need a fictional pub that's as the same sort of mecca for feminists. The antidote to the classic sexist bloke pub, where the floor is sticky and you can't get to the bar without pushing past three Important Regulars peering at your boobs and making blonde jokes, while the barman asks 'are you sure' when you order real ale and the beer for ladies comes in comedy funny-shaped pint glasses for our wee delicate hands.

In the feminist pub, I want to outlaw stupid jokes, obviously. But I also think the bar needs to be at a height that doesn't put my boobs on pint-level for every bloke there. And I would like it if there were etiquette that, when you've got your pint, you don't sit chatting to the barman and taking up space, you move away (I have never seen a woman sit on the edge of a bar, alone).

And I fancy copies of classics like 'Letters from a fainthearted feminist' standing about dog-earned on the bookcases, in place of old back issues of Spectator or random leather-bound books by dead white men.

Shall I apply for a pub lease then? And what else do we want in the feminist pub?

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 18/09/2013 09:50

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EldritchCleavage · 18/09/2013 09:51

'Cosmopolitan Magazine is a Tool of Patriarchy.

What's in that one then?

Doraemon · 18/09/2013 09:58

I want to go to the pub now and eat a roast dinner and read the paper. But it is 10 am on Wednesday morning, my baby is asleep on top of me and I have a filthy house to clean :-(

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 18/09/2013 10:13

Had a hilarious conversation with a man High up in one of the big brewers. He was grumbling about 'mixed gender drinking occasions' causing a decline in beer consumption. I suggested it was a trend he might have seen coming and that maybe if the beer industry hadn't spent millions on advertising that suggested women were feather headed sex objects he would have less of a problem. His answer 'it's all very well saying that with hindsight'!Confused

libertarianj · 18/09/2013 12:45

So I will have to make a reasonable one: a feminist pub is any pub where everyone is made to feel welcome, no one has to speak to anyone they don't want to speak to, everyone gets served promptly, plenty of comfy seats, no fights or aggression, clean loos, funky toons (not too loud). Um...
Sounds boring Smile, actually haven't you just described the typical Gastro pub / family pub? which the majority of pubs seem to have turned into these days.

Also why is there no pint of beer smiley mumsnet HQ? Ale drinkers are being under represented, like here and here

So what's everyone's favourite ale/beer then?

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 18/09/2013 12:50

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SinisterSal · 18/09/2013 12:51

Loads of us have mentioned ale above lib. Keep up!

libertarianj · 18/09/2013 13:14

well you have got have a bit of edginess/ character to a place, maybe not fighting and all that, but definitely crank the music up. Also what's with this sitting down on comfy seats malarkey. You should be stood at the bar sinking the beers Grin and that's just being fussy with regards to the toilets.

Loads of us have mentioned ale above lib. Keep up!

Confused yeah i know that's why i asked what what everyone's favourite ale was

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 18/09/2013 13:19

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EldritchCleavage · 18/09/2013 13:28

Timothy Taylor Landlord, libertarianj.

MooncupGoddess · 18/09/2013 13:33

I hate loud music, it makes it impossible to have a proper rant argument about the patriarchy.

Am fond of Adnams, especially Ghost Ship and Spindrift.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 18/09/2013 13:53

I'd rather have no music at all to be honest, background music in public places is a pet hate of mine.

Hogsback TEA for me. Don't mind whether I stand at the bar or sit at a table, definitely the latter with friends, but if just with one other person a sofa is fine. The main thing is that you can talk to everyone you are with without having to yell.

tethersend · 18/09/2013 14:06

No...no jukebox?

libertarianj · 18/09/2013 14:20

some nice selections of ales there and I do share your liking of Hoegaarden Buffy too, although i am not seeing it served in many pubs these days Sad. I remember it used to be really expensive, even 10 years ago it was like £4 a pint or something. Those Hoegaarden glasses were legendary:

big glass

oh and a jukebox is essential, but it does have to be turned up to a reasonable loudness, otherwise it seems like a waste of money.

EldritchCleavage · 18/09/2013 14:21

Have to have lounge bar (no music) and saloon bar (with music).

Hullygully · 18/09/2013 14:25

Fizzy wine that is freezing cold. You can keep your beers and ales. Interesting conversation. Comfortable chairs. No loud music so I can't hear.

Thank you.

Hullygully · 18/09/2013 14:26

Could we have cowboys working behind the bar?

Hullygully · 18/09/2013 14:27

I realise that isn't necessarily femininst, but I do like a cowboy.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 18/09/2013 14:28

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tethersend · 18/09/2013 14:54

I once borrowed a cowboy from a pub in London Bridge.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 18/09/2013 14:57

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MooncupGoddess · 18/09/2013 14:57

I hope you took him back the next day, tethers.

MummyPigsFatTummy · 18/09/2013 15:03

Will wine-drinkers be allowed in? I don't like beer but will yield to noone in my excessive consumption of Pinot Grigio. (On that subject, I
would love a pub with a greater choice than "red or white, luv?" like my local).

Soft play sounds brilliant, with some one paid to supervise it (and lift the children with short legs over the obstacles so I don't have to do it, thereby defeating the whole point) and situated well away from us drinkers.

And books - definitely books - 'Cinderella Ate my Daughter' for starters, and some light reading too.

Hullygully · 18/09/2013 15:03

No, we'd have to import them to get the real thing. I want to be called "Ma'am" while my ice cold fizzy wine is poured.

SinisterSal · 18/09/2013 15:16

Our house is FULL of those Hoegaarden glasses. For erm...some reason...

Funny to see DD (6) slurping her water out of it. It's massive in her hands

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