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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is it right to prioritize my daughters educational opportunities over my sons - since she has to contend with sexism ?

48 replies

calopene · 03/08/2013 19:46

We have limited resources so would it be ethically right to give our daughters more educational ops than our sons ? Things like school trips /extra curricula/trips abroad/work experience .....

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RVPisnomore · 03/08/2013 19:49

No, you should be treating them both exactly the same and give them the same opportunities, to do otherwise would be wrong IMO.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 03/08/2013 19:52

Remember that "fair" and "equal" are not the same. So if one has an expensive hobby and the other a cheap one, giving both the same opportunity to pursue it might cost different amounts, IYSWIM.

But a feeling of unfairness between siblings is unlikely to do anyone any favours.

MrsJamin · 03/08/2013 19:55

How very odd, no its not right. All children should be supported. Your sons are less likely to do well in education so if you do want to counteract the natural outcome it would be to support your sons.

calopene · 03/08/2013 19:56

why would it be wrong ? since my sons are already advantaged by society itself ...... given that my children are all very similar ability wise too.
My sons may also benefit by having a positive discrimination model in the family - especially if explained. Could 'balance' by actively giving them encouragement in traditionally female roles/tasks in the household.

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TheDoctrineOfAllan · 03/08/2013 19:57

Do you have anything specific in mind, OP?

badguider · 03/08/2013 19:58

society will treat them as statistics and members of their gender and other labels - you, as their parents, should treat them as individuals and give them the opportunities based on their individual needs not as representatives of their gender.

breatheslowly · 03/08/2013 20:00

Shouldn't you be providing more for your son than daughter in educational terms because boys generally do worse than girls at school?

Surely the right answer is to do what seems to be right at each point in time with the resources available, rather than follow a master plan.

Bowlersarm · 03/08/2013 20:03

What a very strange idea.

I'm sure he'll understand when you explain it to him later, why his sister deserves money spending on her eduction, but he doesn't warrant it.

Eyesunderarock · 03/08/2013 20:03

They are your children, not an experiment in gender equalisation. You should treat them both according to their individual needs and equally in their eyes if you are going to be a decent parent rather than a scientist conducting a controlled experiment.
If, indeed, you actually have any children.

Eyesunderarock · 03/08/2013 20:05

First post OP?

calopene · 03/08/2013 20:09

I was thinking of sending the girls on an educationally orientated holiday programme - can't afford for all , so thought I could get boys 'into' baking and learning to do some household stuff/crafting/sewing/knitting etc

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calopene · 03/08/2013 20:10

I like to think of parenting as an experiment of sorts..................

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RVPisnomore · 03/08/2013 20:10

Are you being serious?. If you give your daughter preferential treatment how will your sons feel when they're older.

What if they don't do as well career wise, would you feel guilty? Or would that be ok, so long as you'd given your daughter the best to prove themselves in a man's world.......! Get a grip.

Eyesunderarock · 03/08/2013 20:10

Fine, but remember how much you spent on the girls and ensure that the boys get an equally worthy experience to a similar value.
Why start divisions so early in your own family?

Sausageeggbacon · 03/08/2013 20:12

DD has done well at school without any extra help and to be honest DS1 has struggled yet DS2 is doing fine. But I would never put DD ahead of the boys anymore than putting the boys ahead of DD. In 20 years imagine telling DS that DD was your priority, would love to see that convo

Bowlersarm · 03/08/2013 20:15

Well then you are quite crazy. And obviously not for real.

No parent would think of parenting as 'an experiment'

calopene · 03/08/2013 20:25

Has many similarities to an experiment......Trying out hypotheses all the time.
I can't see how my plan is divisive or unfair - the boys will have fun and more individualized ( 4 instead of 6 kids) with me and learn useful independence skills>

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scallopsrgreat · 03/08/2013 20:28

I might give them different experiences, for the reason Doctrine said but I wouldn't actively promote opportunities for one and deny others.

RVPisnomore · 03/08/2013 20:41

Imagine the conversation.

"Boys, your sister's will be going on a holiday programme but as you have a willy and therefore have a head start when you're an adult your not going. However, not only that you get to stay here and cook and sew with mum....." Good luck with that one.

CaptChaos · 03/08/2013 21:27

I can tell you, from bitter personal experience, that you will just be storing up problems for yourself and your DDs if you single them out as deserving of more educational opportunities.

My DB went to a public school, went on any and all extra curricular activities and had a rare old time. I went to a local state school where I was mercilessly bullied because I was bright and was never allowed to go on any field trips, because, in my family, men work and women marry well and are taken care of by men.

By all means go ahead, but prepare for the inevitable fallout from it for years and years to come.

grimbletart · 03/08/2013 21:33

No. Discrimination on the basis of sex is wrong. It's wrong when girls suffer. It is wrong when boys suffer. Forget the sex of your children and provide the activities and experiences that suit their personalities and their needs.

Smartiepants79 · 03/08/2013 21:37

What grimble said.
Do you want your children to all like each other when they grow up?
Favouring any of your children over another is very dangerous ground for a harmonious, long term family relationship.

breatheslowly · 03/08/2013 21:48

If you couldn't afford to provide adequately for 6 children, why did you have so many? Or is this just an optional extra where the money could be used in a different way to advantage all if your children?

Sirzy · 03/08/2013 21:50

I really hope this is some sort of wind up?

Why on earth would anyone think prioritising 2 of their children over the other 4 is going to be a good thing?

Select activities based on what they want to do, try to provide them all with as many opportunities as you can. Don't create a family whereby the boys will resent the fact that they weren't good enough.

KaseyM · 03/08/2013 21:59

OP can't be for real. Probably waiting for one of us to say "yes do" before taking off mask and saying "gotcha! Knew you feminists were misandrists!"

Anyway putting on my shocked face Shock no be nice to ALL your kids!