OAP home allows residents to book sex workers

[Charlezee]

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4767106/investigation-into-nursing-home-for-allowing-prostitutes.html

What do you think?

No.

Just the people who actually have had the experience of being a sex-worker, then?

For those claiming that fears about safety are the driving force behind the objections, how would a prostitute using her own or a punter's premises as an independent, be more at risk of harm by these proposals?

I'm sure I've seen the pro-prostitution lobby on this board claim that street prostitution and brothels make up only a small part of prostitution and that the internet made prostitution more an 'independent/own or clients' premises' activity. Is that not true then?

Sorry - that was a typo. I didn't misread thanks. I mistyped. I'm very familiar with the concept of criminalising sex purchase and think that's exactly what should be criminalised.

And pimps and punters. Maybe consider the definition of "vested interest".

Streetwalking forms a small minority (about 10%) of prostitution. Brothel-workers are the majority, and I have never seen anyone claim otherwise. With the rise of the internet, and AW, indy working is more common.

Got any stats for that?

The internet's been around for 20+ years now. How do you know there aren't now more prostitutes working as independents than in brothels or on the street?

Also interested in what it is you fear personally about these proposals. Do you all work in a brothel or are you all independents?

I refer you, yet again, to Suzanne Jenkins work, which you claim to have read.

Interestingly ( or not) I have a relative who worked at this home for quite a while and knew nothing of the sock on the door practice!

It makes me think it didn't occur all that often and that perhaps only a minority of staff knew about it.

My relative was passionate about promoting the rights and protecting the dignity of the residents they worked with but I think they would have had mixed feelings about this practice, just as a reaction to the whole idea of it.

Just so I can consider the weight I might give to your opinions, OLKN and Jaan, are you a prostitute, pimp or punter?

I haven't claimed to have read that at all, you must be mixing me up with someone else.

I haven't got time to read through that now - and it was from 2009 by the looks of it. But perhaps you can cut and paste the part that backs up your claim that the majority of prostitutes worked in brothels, even back in 2009?

And again, as more of an overview of many, many works of research, there is Dr Magananti's book. But of course, if the actual facts don't coincide with your views, you won't have an interest.

My apologies if I mixed you up with someone else, badinage, but the link remains a good one regardless. Try reading it? It's long, but even the intro gives a flavour.

And Flora, why do the facts change depending on who presents them?

I'm wading through it, but can't find any evidence about your claims about ratios. It's appallingly written isn't it? Doesn't know the difference between practice and practise, for example.

I don't think Flora was talking about facts. She mentioned opinions. If your opinions are based on being a prostitute, a punter or a pimp - there is personal bias. It's the same with the consultation - the lawmakers need to know the vested interests before they'll give weight to people's opinions.

It was you and Jaan who said the views of the pimps and prostitutes should be given more weight.

Will you answer the outstanding questions please OLKN and Jaan11?

Jaans

Opinions, based on... what? are meaningless unless backed up with yer actual research/information. And I have never said that the opinions of sex-workers should be given more weight than anyone else's, just that it is important to take into account actual lived experience.

And no, badinage, I don't agree that Dr Magnanti's phd thesis is appallingly-written. Keep reading, wontcha?

And no, I won't answer your question as to whether I am a pimp etc, it's a typical silencing technique.

"Oh, you must be be a whore/pimp, so we can ignore your feelings/opinion".

Slut-shaming. Do take it elsewhere.

Rhoda Grant hasn't said that people's lived experience doesn't count though (neither has anyone on this thread either asfar as I can see) and the consultation was available to everyone.

I was referring to that Jenkins thesis, which I think is very badly written and I still can't find the evidence you claim. Does it actually exist?

You've read it all, already?

That's fine. I don't need to know as I don't actually care. Thank you for confirming that you don't agree with Jaans' assertion that the views of pimps and prostitutes should be given more weight.

Jaans?