a question for the men here

[Mitchy1nge]

what makes you think you have anything of real value to bring to discussions about women's experiences and expectations?

obviously some men can make interesting contributions (although those sorts of men don't often announce themselves here) to some discussions but generally, on the whole, everything everywhere else is already pretty saturated in Male Voice so was just wondering where you got the idea from

Oh, whew, I am very glad of to hear it was a case of misreading!

If Pan didn't see it as a personal attack, there's no way it's an issue - he would defintely tell you if there was the slightest chance!

Good to know he's been able to reassure you, and good to know fastidia hasn't been deleted for something she didn't do.

Ta Rowan.

LRD - that was nearly funny.

I don't think it was funny at all - do you mean MNHQ making a very understandable error, or what?

Not really a laughing matter, I think.

thanks, Rowan

I really like the way HQ hold their hands up sometimes, and say, we got it wrong

there still has to be a "this is our site, and we run it as we see fit" to a certain extent

but when HQ look again, it feels that it isn't just a "do as we say" fascist state on MN, but more of a community IYSWIM

If you come out of this without being ostracized you can be known as non-stick Pan.

No, the "he would defintely tell you if there was the slightest chance!" I was taking the piss out of myself there. Okay?

Good to hear, Pan.

Pan is teflon ain't he ?

The drama is driving me to the pub now. Well, someone else is actually. Laters.

Non-stick, teflon? I don't feckin' thinks so.

so what happened with hully?

Before you run off (again) to your Very Important Other Stuff That Isn't Mumsnet, Pan...

have you changed your mind at all about whether it's a good idea to tackle misogyny at source (think very carefully about your answer) ?

Yes it is a Good Thing to do. That doesn't involve a changing of mind whatsoever. And I do it, massively and fairly bluntly at times. As Good People should do with all -isms when they come across them. Saying why men ( in this case me) sometimes don't do it on here triggered the stuff that followed. Suddenly I was cowardice personified. Well bollocks to that, and anyone who thinks that, frankly.

thanks for the invite to make that clear, AF. I'll raise a glass.

Suddenly I was cowardice personified

Still with the self-involved drama.

Well as long as I can claim to magnanimity personnified, I'll think about it. But I want credit for the dissolution of the monasteries.

That's alright for you to say. You didn't lose any relatives in the Dissolution of the Monasteries.

I'll have you know some of my best friends are lunar heretics.

Disgusted, beer. Don't you know nuns have monasteries too?

'What about the monkz' indeed. Check your cis-cenobitic privilege.

Nunz have it easy.

True. They are handmaidens of the Lord.

Gosh that's a surprise, the idea of a veiled attack on pan. Bit solicitous of him aren't u mn? Hope you're as protective of the rest of us. But thanks for sorting this mn, much appreciated