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Chat thread - come chat, rant, or celebrate, here!

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 23/01/2013 22:48

With thanks to the lovely timetosmile - here's the new and rejuvenated Chat Thread.

Space to yak on, rant, post any of the good and bad stuff ... just basically any chat that you don't feel fits into a specific post. With a side order of reclaiming the word 'gossip'.

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YoniTime · 22/05/2013 15:04

Hi all, this is my first time posting in this chat thread. I just wanted to say I really don't get that troll. He only makes punters/misogynists look even more pathetic.

BlingLoving · 23/05/2013 11:38

Thanks uptoapoint. Today has been better so far. I spoke with a woman about a possible new role and one of the poitns she was keen to stress was that as a team they are very big on work life balance. I think she wanted to make it clear that even though I'd be managing people, I shouldn't expect them to work crazy hours for no reason. It was good to hear!

I missed the vbac message. Possibly a good thing!?

YoniTime · 23/05/2013 11:55

It seems that everytime I go into FWR or even Active convos he/someone like that is at it. Right now for example.

UptoapointLordCopper · 23/05/2013 16:52

Outright trolls are tedious, but not as tedious as the ones who can't be bothered to read up and expect to be spoonfed and not liking what they are fed and have a tantrum. Like toddlers but with no extenuating circumstances. If I've got time I'd draw up a MRA-lite bingo. Hmm

UptoapointLordCopper · 23/05/2013 16:53

But I've also promised myself not to post about other threads. Forget my previous post. Grin

BlingLoving · 24/05/2013 10:31

I just got sucked into one. Am pulling out. Phew. Painful isn't it.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 24/05/2013 18:57

Why are the three lead Octonauts all male? Grr.

UptoapointLordCopper · 26/05/2013 21:18

Such an interesting programme as well - I learnt so much from Octonauts! But why all the important "people" have to be male I don't know. And also why Kwazii should be so liked when he's such an idiot I just don't know.

Have too much work to do and working through the bank holiday. Sad

But when I recover I intend to post some deep discussion about John Stuart Mill and the Subjection of Women. You've been warned! Grin

S1m0ne · 27/05/2013 20:22

My 15 yo has decided she's a feminist!
I was disturbed to find her reading a graphic book about rape on her Kindle at the weekend.
Trying to be resonable I downloaded it myself....and now I want to shout about it!

www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00CXAH1V6

UptoapointLordCopper · 07/06/2013 19:09

Bump.

Gone quiet here!

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 07/06/2013 19:26

Trolls to report, new cults to join, LordC

UptoapointLordCopper · 07/06/2013 19:48

Yes, I've seen. V. tedious, some of them.

But I'm a bit stuck on The Subjection of Women, so no deep profound discussion yet which I threatened promised in an earlier post ...

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 07/06/2013 19:52

Simone, that looks horrible from the blurb and the cover, was it really upsetting Sad?

NicholasTeakozy · 07/06/2013 21:02

Mind if I join? On the subject of toys, I bought my DGD a toy the other week. A red toy car that makes different noises and that. She loves it and keeps going to the kitchen where the floor is vinyl instead of carpet so she can push it around more easily. She's 16 months old and just lovely. :)

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 07/06/2013 21:03
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LRDtheFeministDragon · 07/06/2013 21:37

The trolls are making me feel very, very productive. Every time they post I think 'fuck it' and go write a bit more.

It's the ordinary people in normal life who're getting to me atm.

However, this is a little oasis of peace.

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NicholasTeakozy · 07/06/2013 22:41

Doctrine :o Are you on the Church Of Allan thread? I can't believe so many people laughed over a typo.

In other news, my DDs have both decided they're feminists after we had a talk about what they want and how they want to be perceived. I'm so chuffed about that. Feminism needs to attract the young.

UptoapointLordCopper · 08/06/2013 10:25

Well done NT's DDs. :)

LRD I don't mind trolls at all. They are so obvious. It's the women being biologically programmed to like pooey nappies and screaming tantrums and have primeval urges to be doormats (what did they want to be before doormats were invented? Hmm) that really gets me on here. In RL it's the women-think-differently and "I/my dd thinks like this because I'm/she's a woman/girl" brigade that gives me the rage. But there's no getting away from it. We'll live to fight another day. :) We will fight them on MN, we will fight them in RL, etc etc...

UptoapointLordCopper · 09/06/2013 09:37

OK - I've read the first chapter of The Subjection of Women. Has anyone read that? I was surprised at how strongly-worded it was. So the context is a bit narrower, dealing with the Victorian legal subjection of women. But the words are strong. Basically,

  1. The subjection of women is to be abhorred because it is a legacy of the rule of force. In civilised society we recognise that the rule of force is not a good thing, and we have dismantled most of such legacy, including slavery. But we are still subjecting women to this legacy.

  2. The subjection of women is in some ways worse than slavery, because a slave is not required to feel affection for his/her master. Society makes sure that women are slaves, not just by legal constructs, but it makes sure that women will grow up to be slaves by educating them, pruning away all that is "undesirable", so that they will believe that their prime objective in life is to make their masters happy. Shock

(Sorry about the present tense...)

He also talked about why equality will be difficult to achieve - in the old feudal rule-of-force society, only very few are in power, and the majority could see that it would probably be quite nice not to be lorded over, so they could band together and do something. But for women, essentially every man had a piece of fiefdom that he could lord over, and that was very nice indeed and no one would likely put in too much to change. And you effectively segregate the women, they were not free to socialise, to band together.

More later, if anyone is interested ... There is also a statement of positive action (not positive discrimination). It all sounds very modern to me...

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 09/06/2013 09:43

It sounds very clear sighted. Legacy of the rule of force is a good phrase.

UptoapointLordCopper · 09/06/2013 12:45

Just read about the matchwomen in the big issue. Didn't know about them at all.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 10/06/2013 00:30

Just reading these last few posts and nodding along! Smile

Thanks for the quotations.

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UptoapointLordCopper · 10/06/2013 07:28

LRD my posts are not quotation but paraphrase. JSM more eloquent than me. And more sarcastic... But more later!

UptoapointLordCopper · 14/06/2013 09:10

I posted in the Australian thread but may as well post it here too:

Aussie army chief having a go at misogynists.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 15/06/2013 20:20

I am struggling with something.

I have been asked by a man I know to work on a new business with him. As it involves taking financial risk, I feel I need to discuss with DH quite extensively but equally I feel "weak" saying so. I'm not sure why.