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Good piece on sex work by Laurie Penny

497 replies

SolidGoldFrankensteinandmurgh · 20/12/2012 15:43

Here. She puts it a bit more elegantly than I usually do...

OP posts:
SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 12/01/2013 10:31

Legalisation and regulation wouldn't have helped the prostitutes mentioned in Prozachelps posts. It wouldn't have necessarily stopped them being traumatised by the abuse they suffered as prostitutes - because a lot of the 'abuse' isn't actually physical, being hit or hurt or beaten. And although nobody can say it definitely will happen to all prostitutes, it can and does happen to some - and not just the lowly dug addicted/pimped ones either. Prozac's case above is a 'high class' call girl.

It is described well in Melissa Farley's book as being lined up in a brothel like livestock - and then being judged and 'chosen'. It is being reduced to a vagina, anus breasts and mouth. She says that the one true line in the Pretty Woman film is when Julia Roberts says "I can be anybody you want to be, honey" because the prostitute ceases to become herself and becomes purely what the punter desires. She becomes and empty wank sock for him - if that's not dehumanising, then I don't know what is.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 12/01/2013 10:32

The 20120 Swedish study looked at comparisons between the Swedish model and places like Amsterdam, where prostitution is legalised/ regulated.

'According to the evaluation carried out in 2007, it is impossible to say whether the situation for prostitutes has improved since the regulation was put in place, in spite of the authorities efforts to protect them and improve their situation and legal status...the evaluation also reported on a survey that used a number of criteria to compare the sex sellers' emotional wellbeing in 2001 and 2006. The results indicated that their wellbeing had deteriorated in all respects. These findings correspond to other results which show that persons in prositution experience growing anxiety and that their use of tranquilisers has increased. Apparently the prostitutes were also less satisfied with their incomes in 2006 compared with 2001'

Not really a glowing recommendation for legalisation.

Check out the state of Nevada as well to see the failures of legalised brothels.

Here.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 12/01/2013 10:37

So many typos in those last posts! Must preview more...

MiniTheMinx · 12/01/2013 10:39

Franz,

Real work doesn't work like this.

Push I have given up on theory and resorted to what can only be described as "rational" reasoning. Wink

I asked you Franz to imagine liberalising and legalising the employment of and labour/wage exploitation of women who work as prostitutes. OK, so if it were like any other work the employer would issue the employed person with a contract of employment.

Most contracts are made up of two documents with the Job description/specification forming part of this. Most specifications list the main duties and responsibilities and every one I have ever seen also includes the caveat "and any other reasonable duties as specified by your line manager/supervisor"

How could this possibly be covered under employment law because the contract would have to include that having penetrative sex formed part of your specified duties. Otherwise it would have to be covered under that caveat. The same would apply for bondage or even shaking hands!! The problem then becomes one of proving that the worker is not working to their contract or in the case of the worker proving that having penetrative sex is not covered under the caveat and therefore she was raped. It wouldn't stand up in an employment tribunal.

To say that prostitution is the same as all other work and legalise it would further erode the women's rights to say no to sex because it would effectively remove the consent of the women. Therefore it would be legally sanctioned rape. IMO

MiniTheMinx · 12/01/2013 10:49

And saying she can leave, is lame because women have families to feed, mortgages to pay etc,

If you liberalise and legalise you open up an area which is not now available to capitalist exploitation. Once it is legalised it becomes a class war where the workers sell their labour to an employer. Whilst all workers are free to sell their labour, all employers are free to dictate the terms( tasks/ contracts etc) and the wage.

In pre-capitalist society you had very very low levels of un/under-employment because people created their own employment. They still did right the way through the introduction of steam and factories however as we move forward we find that more people are subject to the law of demand. So we now have huge levels of unemployment.....a consequence of the capitalist mode of production.

If you legalise and rationalise a pre-capitalist mode of production, ie prostitution into the capitalist mode.....it becomes a greater not lesser area of exploitation.

Pushthebutton · 12/01/2013 11:55

"It is described well in Melissa Farley's book as being lined up in a brothel like livestock - and then being judged and 'chosen'. It is being reduced to a vagina, anus breasts and mouth. She says that the one true line in the Pretty Woman film is when Julia Roberts says "I can be anybody you want to be, honey" because the prostitute ceases to become herself and becomes purely what the punter desires. She becomes and empty wank sock for him - if that's not dehumanising, then I don't know what is. " Good point! Those experiences can't be anymore dehumanizing. I cannot begin to imagine the mental suffering of the women involved. It is a form of mental abuse. It must catch up with them in the end. The human brain will not go unaffected.
I think out of all the book recommendations Melissa Farley's book is the only one worth reading. I notice Franz has made no comment on Prozacs post containing intelligent and articulate piece written by Melissa Farley.

Franz1980 · 12/01/2013 14:53

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Franz1980 · 12/01/2013 14:54

"And saying she can leave, is lame because women have families to feed, mortgages to pay etc"

The same could be said about men or about any job.

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MiniTheMinx · 12/01/2013 15:42

Plus, I asked you to think about the possible outcome of making the sale of and purchase of sex legal across the board. This is what i said "Lets, take Brook's position here and make all facets of the sale of and purchase of sex completely legal. Including brothel keeping and controlling/hiring and contracting" I asked you to consider the outcome in terms of employment laws and for you to try and make the case that sex work is still just like any other work. You have failed to make the case,

"she can leave" is not an answer and doesn't answer the question "Is sex work just like any other work in relation to employment law, in relation to other forms of waged work? It isn't and what is more Brooke knows that which is why, she says about maintaining an open dialogue with police, not just because of rape (which is not an employment issue now but a criminal offence) but in relation to trafficking. What is known about trafficking is that it is more prevalent where prostitution laws are more liberal.

Why should the resources of social services and law enforcement be use to maintain and regulate the labour conditions of workers? do they routinely involve themselves with Tesco? investigating how much to pay their staff or whether they should give paid coffee breaks or stipulate more clearly what within that "caveat" is a reasonable task not covered in the job spec.

Franz1980 · 12/01/2013 15:50

Another thing that's interesting to know about human trafficking- most human trafficking is actually for non-sexual labour. Yet when people think trafficking they tend to think of the sex industry.

Where prostitution laws are more liberal the workers and clients are more likely to tip off the police if they suspect trafficking. They are the best source on info. That's Brookes' point.

Another thing that's now known about sex trafficking is numbers of victims are vastly exaggerated.

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/trafficking-numbers-women-exaggerated

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 12/01/2013 16:00

Prostitution is legalised in Germany, and yet Germany is struggling to stem the flow of sex trafficking across it's borders. There is evidence that sex trafficking actually increases as a result of legalisation, rather than decreasing. People that want to exploit and profit from trafficked women and children tend to want to do it where the actually activity (selling sex) is legal. Makes things easier I suppose.

Article about Germany here

Franz1980 · 12/01/2013 16:02

rightswork.org/2010/10/claim-%E2%80%9Cgerman%E2%80%99s-legalized-prostitution-brought-more-exploitation-than-emancipation-to-women%E2%80%9C/

The assumption that the law on prostitution caused an increase of trafficking cases does not hold out against the official statistics in Germany. The German Federal Criminal Police annual statistics on trafficking in human beings actually state the opposite. There is no increase in victims of trafficking according to police statistics:

2000 ? 926 victims

2001 ? 987 victims

2002 ? 811 victims (law on prostitution enacted)

2003 ? 1235 victims

2004 ? 972 victims

2005 ? 642 victims

2006 ? 775 victims

2007 ? 689 victims

2008 ? 676 victims

2009 ? 710 victims

Source: www.bka.de/lageberichte/mh/2009/bundeslagebild_mh_2009.pdf

Franz1980 · 12/01/2013 16:03

hmm who to believe? The official stats? Or a scandal tabloid column written by someone who wants to create scaremongering to scare people into thinking the problem is worse than it really is?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 12/01/2013 16:40

Franz - your link doesn't work, it comes up 'not found.'

I don't know where your figures came from, but they contradict what the German Police Chief reported in 2010- which was that sex trafficking was on the rise - with a 70% rise over a 5 year period.

So yes, who to believe?

I do wonder, if a person or organisation is going to traffic young women into a country, to exploit and profit from them, why they would choose a country where there are the increased risks of prostitution being criminalised. It is perfectly easy to profit from these women in the comfort of a country where buying sex is legalised.

Reliable evidence shows that trafficking has reduced substantially in Sweden.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 12/01/2013 16:43

Melissa Farley writes:

"As Youngbee Dale has written, in Germany legalized prostitution has resulted in MORE trafficking, not less. In pimp and john terms, this can be translated as: when you advertise women for sale someplace with no penalty for that, the johns come running, from all over. This same phenomenon: legal prostitution and then more trafficking, more sexual exploitation of children, more johns roaming the location where prostitution is legalized or decriminalized, has been seen in the Netherlands and Australia as well, and in the state of Nevada (where the rape rate is one of the highest in the US)."

www.prostitutionresearch.com

MiniTheMinx · 12/01/2013 18:14

Its interesting Franz that again you avoid the question by seizing on the mention of trafficking in my last post. You still haven't even tried to convince us that prostitution is just like any other work. I am giving you the opportunity to try and convince me Smile we live under capitalism, a system where most people "sell" their labour for wages, they are employed.

Prostitution will be exploitative whether we have liberal laws or not. Aside from the obv physical and psychological harm it will always be women who lack social advantage who will end up "choosing" (although many are forced) to sell sex. The laws will have no effect upon this. Laws are part of the super structure not part of the base.....the basis of our lives is economic. For instance if we had liberal laws which allowed brothels to employ staff, these brothels would seek to maximise profit and remain competitive. This would impact upon the women's income. One of the ways in which we maximise profit and maintain market share is to create "added value" (what might that be in relation to selling sex?) or drive down wages, charge customers less, cut corners on health and safety. In fact I would argue that a liberal law would create greater exploitation of the women in prostitution.

I am shocked actually by this "Nevada (where the rape rate is one of the highest in the US)." Thank you for the link, I will have a read.

ProzacHelps · 12/01/2013 20:00

Prostitution: Factsheet on Human Rights Violations
by Melissa Farley PhD
Prostitution Research & Education
Box 16254, San Francisco CA 94116 USA
© 4/2/2000

In order to quote from this Factsheet, please credit the author above as well as the specific sources listed below. Thank you.
www.prostitutionresearch.com

Prostitution is:

a) sexual harassment
b) rape
c) battering
d) verbal abuse
e) domestic violence
f) a racist practice
g) a violation of human rights
h) childhood sexual abuse
i) a consequence of male domination of women
j) a means of maintaining male domination of women
k) all of the above

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The commercial sex industry includes street prostitution, massage brothels, escort services, outcall services, strip clubs, lapdancing, phone sex, adult and child pornography, video and internet pornography, and prostitution tourism. Most women who are in prostitution for longer than a few months drift among these various permutations of the commercial sex industry.

All prostitution causes harm to women. Whether it is being sold by one?s family to a brothel, or whether it is being sexually abused in one?s family, running away from home, and then being pimped by one?s boyfriend, or whether one is in college and needs to pay for next semester?s tuition and one works at a strip club behind glass where men never actually touch you ? all these forms of prostitution hurt the women in it. (Melissa Farley, paper presented at the 11th International Congress on Women?s Health Issues, University of California College of Nursing, San Francisco. 1-28-2000)

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"The everyday life of prostitution is distant from most of us. And here, our imagination is a poor assistant. Negotiate a price with a stranger. Agree. Pull down one pant leg. Come and take me. Finished. Next, please. It becomes too ugly to really take it in. The imagination screeches to a halt." (Cecilie Hoigard and Liv Finstad, Backstreets: Prostitution, Money, and Love, 1992, translated by Katherine Hanson, Nancy Sipe, and Barbara Wilson; first published as Bakgater in Norway, 1986, Pennsylvania State University Press, University Park, Pennsylvania).

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Men call up the image of the whore when they are abusing their partners. The accusations in between the kicks and slaps: "You slut....whore...." Historically, the words mean "subhuman," "having no rights," "invisible," and "wicked." As recently as 1991, police in a southern California community closed all rape reports made by prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI." The letters stand for the words "No Human Involved." (Linda Fairstein, Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.)

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"[The prostitute] is a victim of every bad thing men do to women: physical and sexual abuse, economic oppression and abandonment." (Mick LaSalle, "Hollywood is hooked on hookers, " San Francisco Examiner, December 3, 1995).

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Women in prostitution are purchased for their appearance, including skin color and characteristics based on ethnic stereotyping. Throughout history, women have been enslaved and prostituted based on race and ethnicity, as well as gender (Kathleen Barry, 1995 ,The Prostitution of Sexuality, New York University Press).

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We usually don't see prostitution as domestic violence because it is just too painful: "...the carnage: the scale of it, the dailiness of it, the seeming inevitability of it; the torture, the rapes, the murders, the beatings, the despair, the hollowing out of the personality, the near extinguishment of hope commonly suffered by women in prostitution." (Margaret A. Baldwin "Split at the Root: Prostitution and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform" in Yale Journal of Law and Feminism, 1992, Vol 5: 47-120)

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"Male dominance means that the society creates a pool of prostitutes by any means necessary so that men have what men need to stay on top, to feel big, literally, metaphorically, in every way;..." (Andrea Dworkin, Prostitution and Male Supremacy, in Life and Death, Free Press, 1997).

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"Prostitution isn't like anything else. Rather, everything else is like prostitution because it is the model for women's condition." (Evelina Giobbe, 1992, quoted by Margaret Baldwin in "Split at the Root: Prostitution and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform," Yale Journal of Law and Feminism, 5:
47-120).

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"The sex industry markets precisely the violence, the practices of subordination that feminists seek to eliminate from the streets, workplaces, and bedrooms." Sheila Jeffreys, (1997) The Idea of Prostitution, Spinifex Press, North Melbourne, Victoria.

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The practice of prostitution is a practice of sexual objectification of women. "... every act of sexual objectifying occurs on a continuum of dehumanization that promises male sexual violence at its far end." John Stoltenberg (1990) Refusing to be a Man, Fontana, London.

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The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). Most of these 13 or 14 year old girls were recruited or coerced into prostitution. Others were "traditional wives" without job skills who escaped from or were abandoned by abusive husbands and went into prostitution to support themselves and their children. (Denise Gamache and Evelina Giobbe, Prostitution: Oppression Disguised as Liberation, National Coalition against Domestic Violence, 1990)

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The age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example, how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of consent for legal sexual activity is constantly lowered, as in Netherlands and Philippines? (Kathleen Mahoney, Professor of Law, Calgary University, Canada, 1995)

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"Incest is boot camp [for prostitution.]" (Andrea Dworkin, "Prostitution and Male Supremacy," in Life and Death, Free press, 1997)

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Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from 65% to 90%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, CA M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes," Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133; C. Bagley and L Young, 1987, "Juvenile Prostitution and child sexual abuse: a controlled study," Canadian Journal of Community Mental Health, Vol 6: 5-26.

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80% of prostitution survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt Minneapolis, MN)

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The male sexuality in prostitution is "male masturbation in a female body." (Hanna Olsson, regarding a study of Swedish prostitution, quoted by Kathleen Barry in The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press) In prostitution, "men buy not a self but a body that performs as a self, and it is a self that conforms to the most harmful, damaging, racist and sexist concepts of women..." (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)

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The prostitution market is driven by customer demand for sexual service. During WW II, the Japanese military forced from 100,000 to 200,000 Korean women into prostitution to service their military. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press).

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In 1974, police estimated that there were 400,000 prostitutes in Thailand, procured primarily for the U.S. military on R & R from the Vietnam War. As of 1993, an unofficial estimate is that there are 2 million prostitutes in Thailand, whose national economy is dependent on tourism. Prostitution is the largest commodity for the 450,000 Thai men who purchase prostitutes daily as well as for a large percentage of the 5.4 million tourists a year who arrive in Thailand for "sex tours." (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press).

A more accurate term for "sex tourism" is prostitution tourism. (Melissa Farley, 1997)

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90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, Minneapolis, Minnesota).

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Pimps target girls or women who seem naive, lonely, homeless, and rebellious. At first, the attention and feigned affection from the pimp convinces her to "be his woman." Pimps ultimately keep prostituted women in virtual captivity by verbal abuse - making a woman feel that she is utterly worthless: a toilet, a piece of trash; and by physical coercion - beatings and the threat of torture. 80% to 95% of all prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)

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Describing the trauma of prostitution, and its consequences, one fourteen year old stated: "You feel like a piece of hamburger meat ? all chopped up and barely holding together" (D. Kelly Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night, Lexington Books, Toronto).

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The answer to the question "why do prostitutes stay with their pimps?" is the same as the answer to the question "why do battered women stay with their batterers?" (Melissa Farley, 1996) Humans bond emotionally to their abusers as a psychological strategy to survive under conditions of captivity. This has been described as the Stockholm syndrome (Dee Graham with Rawlings and Rigsby, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, and Women's Lives, 1994, New York University Press, New York.)

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"About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. )

Other studies report 68% to 70% of women in prostitution being raped (M Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of street prostitutes," in A.W. Burgess, ed., Rape and Sexual Assault II, Garland Publishing, 1988; Melissa Farley and Howard Barkan, "Prostitution, Violence, and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder," 1998, Women & Health.

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78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, 1991, Portland, Oregon)

85% of prostitutes are raped by pimps. (Council on Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, 1994)

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Prostitution is an act of violence against women which is intrinsically traumatizing. In a study of 475 people in prostitution (including women, men, and the transgendered) from five countries (South Africa, Thailand, Turkey, USA, and Zambia):

62% reported having been raped in prostitution.
73% reported having experienced physical assault in prostitution.
72% were currently or formerly homeless.
92% stated that they wanted to escape prostitution immediately.
(Melissa Farley, Isin Baral, Merab Kiremire, Ufuk Sezgin, "Prostitution in Five Countries: Violence and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder" (1998) Feminism & Psychology 8 (4): 405-426

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83% of prostitutes are victims of assault with a weapon. (National Coalition Against Sexual Assault)

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A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography concluded that girls and women in prostitution have a mortality rate 40 times higher than the national average. ( Special Committee on Pornography and Prostitution, 1985, Pornography and Prostitution in Canada 350.

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Many of the health problems of women in prostitution are a direct result of violence. For example, several women had their ribs broken by the police in Istanbul, a woman in San Francisco broke her hips jumping out of a car when a john was attempting to kidnap her. Many women had their teeth knocked out by pimps and johns. (Melissa Farley, unpublished manuscript, 2000)

One woman (in another study) said about her health: "I?ve had three broken arms, nose broken twice, [and] I?m partially deaf in one ear?.I have a small
fragment of a bone floating in my head that gives me migraines. I?ve had a fractured skull. My legs ain?t worth shit no more; my toes have been broken. My feet, bottom of my feet, have been burned; they've been whopped with a hot iron and clothes hanger? the hair on my pussy had been burned off at one time?I have scars. I?ve been cut with a knife, beat with guns, two by fours. There hasn?t been a place on my body that hasn?t been bruised somehow, some way, some big, some small." (Giobbe, E. (1992) Juvenile Prostitution: Profile of Recruitment in Ann W. Burgess (ed.) Child Trauma: Issues & Research.
Garland Publishing Inc, New York, page 126).

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In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted suicide. Prostituted women comprised 15% of all completed suicides reported by hospitals. (Letter from Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Jan 6, 1993, cited by Phyllis Chesler in "A Woman's Right to Self-Defense: the case of Aileen Carol Wuornos," in Patriarchy: Notes of an Expert Witness, 1994, Common Courage Press, Monroe, Maine.

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Like combat veterans, women in prostitution suffer from posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), a psychological reaction to extreme physical and emotional trauma. Symptoms are acute anxiety, depression, insomnia, irritability, flashbacks, emotional numbing, and being in a state of emotional and physical hyperalertness. 67% of those in prostitution from five countries met criteria for a diagnosis of PTSD ? a rate similar to that of battered women, rape victims, and state-sponsored torture survivors. (Melissa Farley, Isin Baral, Merab Kiremire, Ufuk Sezgin, "Prostitution in Five Countries: Violence and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder" (1998) Feminism & Psychology 8 (4): 405-426

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"For a great part of 1992 I lived in a beautiful apartment on Capitol Hill. I drove my expensive car. I bought lovely clothes and traveled extensively out of the country. For the first time in my 20 years as an adult woman, I paid my own way. There was no need to worry about affording my rent, my phone bill, all the debts one accumulates simply by living month to month. I felt invincible. And I was miserable to the core. I hated myself because I hated my life All the things I came to possess meant nothing. I could not face myself in the mirror. Working in prostitution lost my soul." Survivor interviewed by Debra Boyer, Lynn Chapman and Brent Marshall in Survival Sex in King County: Helping Women Out (1993), King County Women;s Advisory Board, Northwest Resource Associates, Seattle.

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"[In the past, we had a women's] movement which understood that the choice to be beaten by one man for economic survival was not a real choice, despite the appearance of consent a marriage contract might provide. ...Yet now we are supposed to believe, in the name of feminism, that the choice to be fucked by hundreds of men for economic survival must be affirmed as a real choice, and if the woman signs a model release there is no coercion there." (Catharine A. MacKinnon, "Liberalism and the Death of Feminism," in Dorchen Leidholdt and Janice Raymond (eds), The Sexual Liberals and the Attack on Feminism, 1990, Teachers College Press, New York.)

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67% of 475 people in prostitution from South Africa, Thailand, Turkey, USA, and Zambia met diagnostic criteria for posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD). 92% stated that they wanted to leave prostitution, and said that what they needed was: a home or safe place (73%); job training (70%); and health care (59%). (Melissa Farley, Isin Baral, Merab Kiremire, Ufuk Sezgin, "Prostitution in Five Countries: Violence and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder" (1998) Feminism & Psychology 8 (4): 405-426

Other studies have noted that those in prostitution want to escape, and have the same needs as others who are in similar circumstances. El Bassel found that women who used drugs and who also prostituted were significantly more psychologically distressed than were drug-using women who did not prostitute. El Bassel et al. (1997) "Sex Trading and Psychological Distress among Women Recruited from the Streets of Harlem," American Journal of Public Health, 87: 66-70.

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In order to understand the trauma of prostitution, it is necessary to also understand the ways in which racism and sexism are inextricably connected in prostitution (see Vednita Carter,1993, "Prostitution: Where Racism and Sexism Intersect," Michigan Journal of Gender & Law, 1: 81-89. Also see Jackie Lynne (1998) "Street Prostitution as Sexual Exploitation in First Nations Women?s Lives." Essay submitted in partial fulfillment of Master of Social Work, University of British Colombia, Vancouver, B.C., April 1998. See a short version of Lynne?s thesis "Colonialism and the Prostitution of First Nations Women in Canada" on the Prostitution Research & Education web site

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There are few if any programs which address the needs of children of prostitutes. In a recent study of 1,963 prostitutes, more than two-thirds had at least one child. The average number of children was 2. 40% of the children lived with their grandmothers, but 20% lived with a mother working as a prostitute. 9% of the children were in foster care. 5% of the working prostitutes were pregnant when interviewed. (Adele Weiner, "Understanding the Social Needs of Streetwalking Prostitutes," 1996, Social Work, 41: 97-106.)

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In 1994, women in the sex industry were identified as one of three populations most in need of specialized services, primarily as a result of the violence inflicted upon them as a result of their work. (City of Seattle Dept of Housing and Human Service, Domestic Violence Community Advocacy Program Expansion, Feb. 1994)

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In prostitution, demand creates supply. Because men want to buy sex, prostitution is assumed to be inevitable, therefore 'normal.' Here are quotes from three different johns:

"It?s like going to have your car done, you tell them what you want done, they don?t ask, you tell them you want so and so done?" (McKeganey, N. and Barnard, M. ,1996, Sex Work on the Streets: Prostitutes and Their Clients. Milton Keynes Open University Press, Buckingham, Scotland.).

I am a firm believer that all women? are prostitutes at one time or another" (Hite, S. ,1981, The Hite Report on Male Sexuality. New York, Alfred A. Knopf)

Discussing his experience in a strip club, one man said, "This is the part of me that can still go hunting" (Frank, K. (1999) Intimate Labors: Masculinity, Consumption, and Authenticity in Five Gentlemen?s Clubs, Unpublished doctoral dissertation, Duke University, Durham, N.C.).

Violent behaviors against women have been associated with attitudes which promote men?s beliefs that they are entitled to sexual access to women, that they are superior to women, and that they are licensed as sexual aggressors. ( White,J.W. & Koss, M.P 1993, "Adolescent sexual aggression within heterosexual relationships: prevalence, characteristics, and causes. " In H.E. Barbaree, W.L. Marshall and D. R. Laws.(eds.) The Juvenile Sex Offender, Guilford Press, New York.

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In 1993, 42% of women arrested in Seattle on prostitution-related charges were convicted.

In 1993, 8% of men arrested in Seattle on prostitution-related charges were convicted. (Seattle Women's Commission, 1995, "Project to Address the Legal, Political, and Service Barriers Facing Women in the Sex Industry" Seattle, Washington.

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If we view prostitution as violence against women, it makes no sense to legalize or decriminalize prostitution. The primary violence in prostitution is not "social stigma" as some maintain. Decriminalizing or legalizing prostitution would normalize and regulate practices which are human rights violations, and which in any other context would be legally actionable (sexual harassment, physical assault, rape, captivity, economic coercion.) or emotionally damaging (verbal abuse). (Melissa Farley)

In 1999, the Swedish Parliament put into effect a law which criminalizes the buying of sexual services but not the selling of sexual services. This is a compassionate, social interventionist legal response to the cruelty of prostitution. (see,Sven-Axel Mansson and Ulla-Carin Hedin, 1999, "Breaking the Matthew Effect - On Women Leaving Prostitution," International Journal of Social Work. Also see Prostitution Research & Education web site, www.prostitutionresearch.com for a copy of the Swedish law))

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ProzacHelps · 12/01/2013 20:11

My last post was for Franz benefit who clearly lacks comprehension. Smile

ProzacHelps · 12/01/2013 20:21

And another article for you Franz:

June 22, 2009
Melissa Farley
Excerpt from Indoor Versus Outdoor Prostitution

?Nobody really wants to be sold,? a woman in a Nevada legal brothel explained to me. Even if you know that simple fact that prostitution is an abusive institution for any human maybe you still think it can be made not so bad. Maybe you think that if prostitution happens under a roof, it is better than outside on the street.

Read entire editorial on www.prostitutionresearch.com/c-how-prostitution-works.html

Frans1982 · 12/01/2013 20:31

@Sabrina.

I agree it is strange why the German police chief said that when his own statistics say the opposite.

www.lauraagustin.com/numbers-of-trafficking-victims-fall-in-germany

@prozac, if I wanted to read some biased scaremongering propaganda I would read some Julie Bindel columns in the Guardian, but thanks anyway.

ProzacHelps · 12/01/2013 20:44

Dr. Melissa Farley www.prostitutionresearch.com/MFarley%20CV.pdf
hardly uses scaremongering propaganda. Do your research Franz1980/Frans1980/Frans1982

Frans1982 · 12/01/2013 20:57

"Prostitution is:

a) sexual harassment
b) rape
c) battering
d) verbal abuse
e) domestic violence
f) a racist practice
g) a violation of human rights
h) childhood sexual abuse
i) a consequence of male domination of women
j) a means of maintaining male domination of women
k) all of the above"

And this isn't scaremongering propaganda? ok whatever. Keep all this to the other little thread you made.

I got locked out my account twice for some reason. I don't know if MNHQ is banning me for my political views or something. Maybe I missed the part in the rules that said I had to agree with everything mainstream feminism says to be a member.

ProzacHelps · 12/01/2013 21:14

No it is not scaremongering propaganda. It is evidence based facts!

MiniTheMinx · 12/01/2013 21:15

You got locked out of your account! do you realise that the pro-sex industry lobby have been targeting feminists with emails and hate campaigns because we dare to stand up against male violence and exploitation.

Can I ask what your motivation is? also when are you going to explain how a legalised system of

a) sexual harassment
b) rape
c) battering
d) verbal abuse
e) domestic violence
f) a racist practice
g) a violation of human rights
h) childhood sexual abuse
i) a consequence of male domination of women
j) a means of maintaining male domination of women
k) all of the above"

plus socio/economic exploitation of women

can possible ever be work like any other work. Exactly how could current employment laws be used to protect the rights of workers and prevent the abuses listed above.