Where did all the Feminists go?

[Portofino]

MN seems to have had a reorganisation of FWR when I was on holiday and me no-likey. Why do we now have a Rad fem section and Feminist light chat. So many of the dynamic, knowledgable and interesting posters have disappeared. I have to say that some of the more radical stuff posted really made me think about my views and re-align them. There doesn't seem to be much of that anymore. I am disappointed to be honest.

werent all the f4j threads deleted because of that ridiculous ad?

No problems, LRD. :)

I reckon the outcome of the reorganisation has been anything but positive really.

I'd much rather read well argued points that I disagree with than just roll my eyes and click off the thread. Which tends to be what happens now.

SGB is still on MN and still posting about feminism. I've seen her raise interesting points on threads very recently. Sakura is still very active in feminism, but just not on here.

As far as I can see, what ScottishMummy thinks the issue was is totally different to what I think the issue was.

And I think that answer to the OP's questions - where have they gone - is that they've gone on to other feminist spaces.

lrd you've essentially done mn oscars
big yay if liked pov
big nay if dislike pov

Tbh, it isn't even about F4J specifically; it's often just individuals with a bee in their bonnet.

TFM, sadly that's what I find myself doing more and more these days. :( I used to love this section; It taught me a great deal.

It's sad that, in reorganising FWR, MNHQ failed to listen to the people who used the section in the first place.

POV, scottishmummy?

You mean PIV, yes?

Also, not what LRD's done, at all... She's entitled to her opinion about what (and who) strengthened this section.

The individual derailers I think are more pernicious than the invasions.

Blokes who post for a period of time all softly softly catchy monkey and then start with their regular posting on topics like rape, porn, BDSM blah blah, and reveal what they are really likfe.

One thing I really loved was the way it worked as a nexus so that the people who were doing other feminist stuff would get put in touch with people who were new to feminism and wanted to do more - all those threads where people met up and went to conferences and marches together.
It is of course good that people who used to post all the time on here are doing other things - and I know what things some of them are doing and there is fantastic stuff going on - but it would be better still if people felt able to post here as well as elsewhere.
But it has turned into a very difficult place to discuss feminism, IMO. Too much deliberate derailing, too many old scores raked up all the time, too much going round in circles.

Absolutely agree getorf. It's horrible; it is the nastiest form of trolling.

mnhq failed to listen to the people?
which people?
isn't this clear cut case of unhappy with decision so disputing outcome

It's upsetting, you see someone who has been here for a good while and thought was all right gradually turn into someone unsavoury.

getorf, yep.

Yes. And you realize they were unsavoury (at the least) all along.

Yy GetOrf.

They would start off all softly softly but then show their true colours in the FWR section. It got to the stage of being laughable.

Yes, that is the horrible thing. And you realise that they were posting all 'nice' in order to be accepted before they started to post what they really thought.

What I think was so damaging was the way we'd get a sense for how a person who was hiding their true colours would post. And we'd call them on it, but a poster who wasn't so familiar with their nasty manipulative style would wonder why we were being so mean. It was horrible.

Kim, I'd missed that. Thank you. :)

And SM, no. Every single rad fem objected to a Rad Fem section, amongst a number of other posters. The only people who approved of this section were those who hated the Rad Fems in the first place.

someone you don't know.haven't met
you feel disappointed by their words on screen
how very odd

Erm, SM, you do get that words on the screen are representative of some form of communication, right?

The rest of us are all talking to each other.