Make love not porn

[Hullygully]

New sex site, founder keen to educate men about "real love making" not porny stuff.

Hurray?

But that's the same debate as we always have about so-called 'good' porn. The issue surely is, it looks like the other stuff, because sex looks like sex. There is still someone giving out the message that looking at women having sex is something you're invited to enjoy, without her being there with you, and while people make a profit from it.

I'd say in this society, unless I know a person in real life and I'm with them in real life, I don't feel I can judge whether their consent is real or not, too. I would worry about that. I mean, if this did get to be a huge success, surely there would be masses of imitations of it? After all, the genre of 'homemade' porn was meant to make people think they were just seeing someone's cheeky home vids, but we know they end up being acted out now by women who also do all the 'normal' porn.

That's why without getting rid of porn culture, I don't see a way of introducing any kind of 'safe' porn.

OH I SEE now.

No no, it's not for men to look at. It's for people. By people with people (consenting and mutual) for people. With the byproduct that young men might be encouraged to learn how to have decent sex possibly.

Surely it's worth a try?

I think it si anyway.

I'll have a watch and see.

Men are people!

No, I do get what you are saying, and I get why you want it to work and why you believe it could. I just can't agree.

But no, it's not about me worrying about it only being men looking at it - it's me worrying that we can't tell by looking what's going on; and we know women being viewed as objects to have sex with and make money from is something that's already happening.

(word salad there, sorry)

Have you read the article SGM?

If you have, and you still think that, I have finally met someone even more cynical than myself and will have to remove my hat immediately.

Oh. I believed her. Perhaps I am going soft and daft.

I'll have to have a look at it and see what I think then I suppose.

Do you think she's (or whoever) has made it all up as a way to lure men/people into the standard wider porn industry?

Lurve making always sounds a bit cheesy to me, like something Barry White might say to his laydy. I prefer the word fuck, personally.

I don't like love making either.

But I am/was ever so hopeful of a chance to redress the horror of porn.

An investor. Might have a little google.

Investor doesn't want to be named (strangely)

Apparently so much porn is free now that the only stuff people pay for is "people-positive" and "feminist"

I was just skim reading some articles in search of the investor and the above caught my eye. I'm surprised tho, there is so much free online.

the NHS is "free" isn't ? Except it's not

porn isn't free, somebody pays

< not comparing the NHS and porn, but it's not correct to say either of them are "free" >

"free" porn is paid for by advertising, which is usually along the line of camming sites, meet-up sites and invitations to escalate your foray into the "wonderful" world of unreal and demeaning sexual encounters (which you do pay for, at the point of contact)

so, "free" porn is the carrot dangled for more money-spinning activities, and it must work or it wouldn't stay free

yes, I see that, I think the point was that no one thought her idea was any good because there is so much porn (a lot "free"), but the point was people were prepared to pay for what there wasn't much of: non-porny sex.

hully, it's not soft and daft at all. I am being cynical but I still wish it could work. And although a mate of mine reckons that we shouldn't book up a feminist conference in November 2013 because 'we might have smashed the patriarchy by then' (), I have to admit I doubt we'll get to feminist utopia especially soon.

Still wish we were there though.

I haven't seen the site but read the article. I could see where she was coming from TBH.

I suspect there is a generational divide. I am in my 30s and the guys I slept with in my teens/20s hadn't really seen a lot of video porn. So we kind of made it up as we went along. However, I doubt that would be the same of today's teen/early 20 year old guys. Suspect there may be quite a few of them who think porn is how it's done . Judging from the article this site is meant to help redress the balance.

I think it could be marketed better though. I think something like www.whatrealsexlookslike.com or www.whatwomenlikeinbed.com would have been more eye catching and less "nanny state ish" so more likely to appeal. The phrase "make love" makes my toes curl. But perhaps any free sex video site will attract plenty of traffic no matter what its title...

I am a bit by Stewie's view that there must be a money angle in it somewhere. You may well be right. Even if there is, though, I'd still rather someone was making money out of this kind of sex than out of the usual wham-bam style porn.

So, I have found the answer to my questions, and also to the point raised by SGM.

They aren't making the films themselves. That's presumably why there is no fuller explanation about what this non-exploitative non porn sex is. They're not actually writing, directing or making any films.

What happens is that people will send them amateur porn (which for some reason they think shouldn't be called amateur porn. From the rental costs of the films (depending on how many people want it) the makelovenotporn people get 50% of the profits and the other 50% goes to the people in the porn.

For it to qualify as being real sex rather than porn sex, it has to fulfill the following criteria:

Musts:
Contextualized: Show and tell a backstory

Cliche Free: Free of porn tropes, please.

Consensual: Obviously

Extra Credit:
Condom-hot: If you roll with condoms, sex 'em up!

Comical: It happens ;) let's see it.!

'Condom-hot: If you roll with condoms, sex 'em up!'

Erm ... ew ...

It's still porn and even if it is "good porn" (what ever that is) there is so much of it out on the net, why do we think this site would pop up in a search. If a young man is searching around the net he will be bombarded with lots of sites, why would he choose this over any other. Far better the day when nothing comes up in a search.

For hundreds of years the human race propagated itself without the need to be shown how in graphic detail. Pornography isn't something we need, it is something that is sold to us, just another commodity created to produce profits for some at the expense of others, no wonder some people discuss the transaction of sex along the same lines as it being like any other form of paid labour. Difference is, it isn't their labour they are selling, they produce nothing, the commodity is themselves.

You can guess, I won't be watching it or recommending it, sorry Hully.

"For hundreds of years the human race propagated itself without the need to be shown how in graphic detail."

If you think it's bad now you should you should see some of the things commonly depicted in public Roman artwork. And as for the Ancient Greeks...