Supporting abortion to term.

[VegansTasteBetter]

Asking this question in feminism because, 1. I don't want a pro/against bunfight and 2 because I have only ever seen this comment made by feminists. *

I have seen the comment made that someone would support an abortion up until term for any reason (so in theory just because they changed their mind would be acceptable I guess).

If you take this stance is it because you feel to decide a cut off date for abortions would be to choose an arbitrary date in a pregnancy and that we need legally to have free access to abortions... but actually if your mate said, "just found out I am 37 weeks pregnant really don't want it, going for an abortion" you would be horrified and because you know it isn't likely to ever happen

or

if in the above scenario would you happily (assuming it were legal) take your friend down to the clinic to get an abortion because you belive the mother's choice trumps the fetus/babies right to life?

I'm prochoice but I have a real difficulty with people saying that it's acceptable for any reason up till term. And in the above scenario (if it were legal) I'd support my friend's right to demand to be induced early for her mental health and to give the baby up for adoption but not for an abortion.

• disclaimer: I am a feminist but don't support this view

solidgoldbrass
bang on the miney, as ever

Reminds me of something my mum (strict catholic yet a feminist) akways says: the roman catholic church are all about the rights of the unborn child, but ince they are born, they don't give a stuff about child abuse, sex abuse of child by priests etc."

Makes you wonder why the sanctification if the unborn has taken such strong hold. It's actually a birlliant diversion from the true agenda; controlling women.

Everyone has the right over their own bodies and I totally understand somtimes due to rape etc things in your bodies occur that you did not want but again surely as a caring human being it will take you alot less time than 7-8 months to stop anything happening.

Also (sorry if this has been covered I read to page 8 but it moved on whilst I wrote my post) the link uptgread to the current story about this is a ridiculous argument against full term abortion saying that it would become commonplace as the reason this story has caused such coverage etc is because it is so so rare. To imply that this gives credence to the idea that women would be queuing for late abortions if it were legal makes Jo logical sense at all

Bang on the money
Not miney

cogito
yes
very rare
illogical
exactly
couldn't agree more

I do see your point of few of course but again there are many mothers who have left their own children never to be seen again and the fathers have raised the children alone .
I am all for women rights but I am not sexist. Men and women are equal. I know others do not see it like that but lets pray we will get there in the end.

No logical sense. Sorry typing in bed!

When it comes to pregnancy and childbirth, men and women are not equal.

If I am equal to a man then I have bodily autonomy the same as a man.

No-one can require my body to submit to, or be subject to, another's will.

I don't understand what you mean ?

"No-one can require my body to submit to, or be subject to, another's will."

??

If men are not as equal to their child as a mother then why do we fight daily for them to have the same responsibility to provide care for them ??

When it comes to pregnancy and childbirth, men and women are not equal.

Like I said somtimes things do happen against our will but can be resolved early.
If this has not been the case and a man and a women have planned thier baby then there is no issue. Both parents are just as equal with their baby.

Of course they are

After birth. But this thread is about what happens before birth and a mother and father cannot be equal because the mother series the child not the father so the pregnancy cannot affect the father's body. There is not (that I'm aware of) any situation where the continuation of s pregnancy could cause the death of a father (or any other impact on his body) in the way it could the mother

Sorry that was in response to question about why we would expect a man to have the same responsibility for a child

What part of my desire to have bodily autonomy is so hard to understand?

I want to own my body.

Carries the child not series the child.

yes I understand that and did state that other than a medical condition .... but thats nothing to do with other people forcing my body to do something against my will. I just did not see where that would be relevent that was all :)

SGB - but I don't think anyone on this thread is anti-abortion. Most of us are very pro-choice. And most of us have fully agreed to a woman's right to have a removed from her body at any point. But why does the foetus have to die?

Trying to catch up minty but my opinion after reading responses is exactly what Annies has written I think.

I also find the argument that if you think a woman might have a late term abortion "just because she changed her mind or realized last minute and didn't want to be pregnant " some how means you can't think much of women is a bit strange.
Because every law we have on the books is designed for the minority. In general most parents won't abuse their children.. I don't have a dim view view of parents but I know some do abuse their children

Of course you own your body !!
I do not get what your going on about.
When your pg you have to share your body :) but whats wrong with that your looking after the most precious thing in the world thats not bad right?

So those saying they are pro choice but only up til a certain point, what is this point? And what of someone is a day or even an hour out?

Sunshine, It's a philosophical starting point. If you agree that you own your own body, then all else follows from that. That's what I've been positing.

I think you are working backwards like many others from a position of what you find acceptable with regards to abortion, and thus to determining based on that a woman's bodily (corporeal and social) contraints.