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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fathers4Justice rapped over advert attacking Mumsnet

29 replies

RhysPie · 04/07/2012 10:59

Seems to me, feminists are no different than RACISTS and the like...

uk.news.yahoo.com/fathers4justice-rapped-over-advert-230125420.html

Just read the comments

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messyisthenewtidy · 04/07/2012 11:53

Glad the ASA upheld complaint. That poster was very offensive and the comments taken out of context and not at all representative of how feminists think of men.

It was quite a roller coaster weekend that one ....

LurkingAndLearningForNow · 04/07/2012 12:03

I hate F4J. With a passion.

RhysPie · 04/07/2012 12:06

To quote one of the comments

"There is a lot to what ' Fathers for Justice ' are saying. Perhaps this poster is a little strong but in principle I'm with them. I know a boy who loved his wife and child but who found that she preferred someone else. They were living in a house he had inherited from his father and the judge ordered him out, awarded custody to the girl and because her new 'boy friend ' was unemployed, made him pay maintenance. He was allowed to see his son every other weekend. He killed himself. Primarily two people were responsible for his death, his wife and a stupid J.P. There are many times when men over step the mark but women can be very difficult too and I believe there is a degree of overcompensation going on where men, mostly young men are the victims. I believe in prenuptial agreements where it is agreed before hand who keeps what if a relationship fails. I think all couples should press for this."

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messyisthenewtidy · 04/07/2012 12:19

Rhys I think you'll find a lot of feminists agree with the principles of F4J, just not their inflammatory tactics, their Stalin like moderation of free speech on their site or their narrow focus.

Why don't you have a search for some of the threads of the time, there were some very interesting discussions that came out of it.

Ponders · 04/07/2012 12:19

You seem to be a new poster, Rhys. Are you a member of F4J by any chance?

The words/comments quoted by F4J were about specific men, not males as a sex.

Do you have a problem understanding that?

messyisthenewtidy · 04/07/2012 12:24

And yes to the prenups idea or at least some kind of mediation. I think it should also extend to the division of labour within the marriage; who expects what and who expects who to give up their career, who performs what in terms of housework and child care and bringing home the bacon I really think that would save a lot of divorces from happening.

tethersend · 04/07/2012 12:24

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messyisthenewtidy · 04/07/2012 12:28

Yes to what Ponders said also. A lot of those quotes were actually referring to F4J and their attack, not at all about men in general or directed at an innocent little boy as that hideous poster inferred.

messyisthenewtidy · 04/07/2012 12:32

I like it Tethers .... "FEMINISTS!, at a movie theatre near you!"

tethersend · 04/07/2012 13:05

I think there should be a separate FEMINISTS topic.

MiniTheMinx · 04/07/2012 13:17

I don't personally go in for or support the institution of marriage or even the idea of the nuclear family which I believe simply upholds patriarchy under capitalism. Making complex legal arrangements prior to marriage would be difficult because circumstances change, antagonisms arise and people develop different needs and aspirations over time.

It has always been the case that men have sought to impose control over women's reproductive capacity and they have created the means through marriage and dna tests to ensure their progeny is theirs alone. Is a father someone who sows the seeds or the one who brings in the harvest? If a man, any man has played an important part in parenting a child, over a long period of time where that child has a bond with that person, it is right that the courts take this into consideration. From everything I have read and know of the family courts, men are in the main gaining ground and being able to impose their demands quite well enough. But do I support the rights of violent men or men too silly to take charge of their own contraception to make demands? If men are to have full equal rights, it might include forcing a women to continue with a pregnancy she doesn't want outside of a relationship with that man.

LurkingAndLearningForNow · 04/07/2012 13:46

Fantastic post Mini!

PosieParker · 04/07/2012 19:07

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MildewMayhew · 04/07/2012 19:45

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mododd · 04/07/2012 20:56

F4J is absolutely abhorrent, branding mumsnet extreme male bashing feminists when they are acting like women hating so and so's themself will achieve nothing

MiniTheMinx · 04/07/2012 21:23

I can't speak for all MNs but I have certainly never rushed over to F4J and started SHOUTING at them.

Scarredbutnotbroken · 04/07/2012 21:33

I hate f4j too. Even the bloke who set it up managed to sort out contact amicably with his ex eventually.

I am one of those mothers who has withheld contact - for very good reasons. I doubt there are many mums who do it for kicks

mododd · 04/07/2012 21:37

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TheCrackFox · 04/07/2012 21:50

FEMINISTS The Opera has a certain ring to it.

F4J are so inept they have set their cause back by decades. Bunch of numpties.

VivaLeBeaver · 04/07/2012 21:53

Fantastic. I told the idiots at the time they'd get in trouble for that ad.

Ponders · 04/07/2012 21:54

you can sum up their FB page as "EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG, WRONG, WRONG"

none of them ever seems to have an independent thought. they just agree with each other incessantly. very dull.

(of course if anybody dares to post an opposing view that post is instantly deleted. I forgot Grin)

AllYoursBabooshka · 04/07/2012 22:02

Scarredbutnotbroken

According to what they wrote on their FB page not to long ago you are withholding contact for all "The free money" you get for him not being there!

Clearly stopping contact is some sort of get rich quick scheme, How did I not know about this? You must be rich!

Scarredbutnotbroken · 04/07/2012 22:09

Why yes! Doesn't everybody know about contact blocking credits? You just fill a form in at the job centre and the cash floods in its amazing!

AllYoursBabooshka · 04/07/2012 22:18

Amazing indeed!

I'm packing DPs bags as we speak! I'll throw in a super hero costume for him just in case, Which one do you think is best Batman or Superman?

:o

MildewMayhew · 04/07/2012 22:23

Why does the Green Arrow always get forgotten in Superhero costumes? Or Flash? :( F4J are missing out if they don't know of these characters...

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