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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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weeonion · 18/06/2012 16:43

Dear Sister

As you may know Rhoda Grant MSP is taking forward work to reduce and prevent sexual exploitation, through introducing legislation to criminalise buying sex in prostitution.

Trish Godman MSP held a consultation on this issue in 2010 which resulted in around two thirds of the respondents supporting the proposed legislation. Rhoda is submitting her proposal to the Justice Committee tomorrow (Tuesday 19th June)and is asking that the previous consultation be regarded as sufficient. This would mean that she could then submit her Bill without further consultation. There is also a danger that the expense of a further consultation might deter the Committee from taking forward the proposed legislation at all. This suggestion is being strongly opposed by pro-sex work campaigners as they want a lengthy consultative process that they can prolong in the hope of derailing any new legislation..

I am therefore asking you to send an email to the Justice Committee, today or tomorrow morning, stating that you support proposals to criminalise buying sex, and that in your view the previous consultation was competent and sufficient. The latter is the key at this stage.

This is really urgent. Please email now if can and ask others to do so also.

You email to [email protected]

The clerk is Peter McGrath or you can address it to Christine Graham who is Convenor. If you have time you could also email individual members. All details can be found on the committee page www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness/CurrentCommittees/29845.aspx

Many thanks,

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StewieGriffinsMom · 08/08/2012 13:54

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GothAnneGeddes · 10/08/2012 02:01

Do you know what else humans have been doing for hundreds of years:

Committing murder.

Shall we make that legal too?

Bad enough to enter a feminist discussion and claim women should be happy being the sex class, worse still to use such bollocks arguments.

Also, male escorts represent a minuscule percentage of prostitutes, this is another straw argument from oppressors of women.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 10/08/2012 09:12

Well said.

Zaraa · 14/08/2012 20:09

Prostitution IS a job. There are plenty who are in the job by choice making plenty of money (example many escorts). Being a stripper is also a job. Being a topless model is also a job. Just because you morally object to something doesn't make it any less a job.

btw how many sex workers do you know in real life?

Murder is a completely different topic since there is NEVER any consent in murder. The victim did not want to be killed that's why it's called murder.

You can't compare 2 adults having consenusual sex (and one of them receiving payment) with murder.

Zaraa · 14/08/2012 20:12

Also, male escorts represent a minuscule percentage of prostitutes

A minuscle percentage really? I did a search on an escort directory website for male only escorts and then female only escorts and it appears just under 1/3 are male (although they generally do charge lower prices and have lower feedback).

I don't think things are as one sided as you like to think they are.

Don't believe everything you read in tabloids.

pornmonkey · 14/08/2012 21:57

Well said.

StewieGriffinsMom · 15/08/2012 16:41

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 19/08/2012 20:18

Those links look to be to newspapers, zaraa. Newspapers are actually different from peer-reviewed research, believe it or not.

A cursory glance at the last two also seems to suggest they have nothing to do with the previous discussion? Confused

StewieGriffinsMom · 19/08/2012 20:21

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GothAnneGeddes · 23/08/2012 12:22

Mrs AnnTeak -Funny that link suggesting a move away from the "oppression" paradigm is written by a man, who is almost certainly not a prostitute.

Also funny why there's so much time and effort being put into claiming that prostitution, oops, "sex work" is just another job. It stinks.

Frans1980 · 31/10/2012 02:53

www.feminisnt.com/img/bingo-large.jpg

This is how feminists argue against prostitution. They just pull something out of one of the boxes in the picture above.

weeonion · 01/11/2012 11:35

That's right Frans1980. There is no more consideration given to opposing prostitution than that.

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Xenia · 01/11/2012 11:42

Many feminists are not against prostitution. IN a sense you control a woman's ability to do what she likes with her own body if you ban prostitution. It is anti feminist to ban it.

Now if we were banning women living off male earnings who are housewives (who clean a house and serve a man and give him sex in return for money) on the grounds that that sexist set up ensures women never seize any power you might get a bit more support for that.

Frans1980 · 01/11/2012 15:02

Agree Xenia. And I do acknowledge not all feminists want prostitution criminalized.

Not even everyone in Scandinavia agrees with the "Swedish model" of only criminalizing clients. Oslo's social affairs chief and top politician recently suggested Norway rips up its law on prostitution (Norway has the same law as Sweden) because a new report shows violence against prostitutes has increased in the capital Oslo and the law has made it more difficult for prostitutes.

www.thelocal.no/page/view/rip-up-prostitution-law-says-top-oslo-politician

StewieGriffinsMom · 01/11/2012 20:15

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MsAnnTeak · 02/11/2012 09:01

Bit of a read but it's worth understanding the consequences radical feminism has had on prostitutes globally.

FEMINISM, POWER, AND SEX WORK IN THE
CONTEXT OF HIV/AIDS: CONSEQUENCES
FOR WOMEN?S HEALTH

www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlg/vol341/225-258.pdf

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