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Is DV always repeated, or is it possible for it never to happen again?

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IsOnceTooOften · 16/06/2012 20:39

I have namechanged to ask this. I'm asking here rather than relationships as I suppose it's not really advice I'm looking for, more people's opinions and experiences, and it is also quite a big feminist issue.

I have been with my DH for 17 years, married for 13, we have 3 children, (eldest isn't mine). 2 years ago we were going through one hell of a rough patch. We've had rough patches before but nothing like this. It had pretty much been building up since I got pregnant with our youngest in 2006. Brought on by a combination of living in a house that was falling down around us, but being unable to afford to move. Job losses (plural), money problems and depression (for both of us, I got PND). Before this our relationship was solid, really solid, he was (and is again now) my best friend as well as partner in life.

We had been verging on the possibility of a trial separation, but agreed to work at things first, as both still loved each other and didn't want to split. This one occasion he'd gone for a drink on a Saturday afternoon with our eldest. He wasn't drunk but was tipsy. We got into an argument over something very trivial. I (stupidly) threw my drink over him, but in the process managed to touch his face with the glass although it didn't shatter and it didn't cut him. I literally saw the red mist descend over his eyes. He was angry, really angry I'd never seen him that angry before. He grabbed me around the throat, he wasn't strangling me (I wasn't choking) but with enough force to hold me in place. I couldn't get him off me and had to shout for our eldest to come down and help me. (The younger kids were in bed but would have been able to hear me shouting). Our eldest managed to get him off me, he then turned on her and pushed her, so she punched him in the face. This winded him a bit, I was trying to get him to calm down when he turned and pushed me quite forcefully and I fell against the fridge and washing machine (had a nasty bruise down my side and across my shoulder). Our eldest then set upon him again screaming at him that "You don't hit girls, dad, WTF are you doing?"

This was all happening in the kitchen which is at the front of the house. The windows were wide open as it was the height of summer and the neighbours must have obviously heard as the next thing 2 police cars pulled up outside the house and banged on the door. I let them in, and this seemed to snap DH out of the red mist like state he was in. They walked him into the living room were he crumpled to floor in a heap and started sobbing. At this point the kids were shouting for me from upstairs and needed to go and reassure them but the police insisted on coming upstairs and checking on the kids too. (Fair enough). When they checked on the kids they took some details from me, asked if I was all right and then left.

When I got downstairs DH was curled up in a ball sobbing his heart out. I didn't feel scared of him at all, I wasn't scared when he attacking me I knew I just needed to get him to calm down. My first instinct was to actually comfort him, but he wouldn't let me near him. The next day he was very solemn, he went to the local church something he hadn't done in years (I'm an atheist, he's a non practising C of E). He was gone for a few hours.

After it happened I kept thinking, I need to leave him now don't I? I'm not a "battered wife" I refuse to let any man hit me. But my desires to stay were stronger. He apologised to both me and our eldest, and we decided to go to Relate. I also told my mum, I decided I wasn't going to keep it a secret, because if it ever did happen again I wanted to make sure someone else knew about the first time.

He isn't a violent person, in the almost 2 decades I've known him he's never so much as hit anyone, let alone argue with people, he is very much the peacemaker and would much rather find a way to talk about things to resolve them. He did have the most horrendous childhood though, he grew up starving and living in squalor, he was mentally and physically abused by his mum and was in and out of care with his brother. He then left school and the care system only to end up in an abusive relationship with his ex (the abuse was on her part) she basically took over the role of his mum abusing him. (I'm not just going on his account of things, I have seen first hand the abuse and devastation she can dish out not only to DH but also to their child together - who I class as my own because we've brought her up together from an early age, as her mum also abused her mentally and physically). She got pregnant when DH was just 17 and her 18. He stayed with her for another 2 years after their child was born to try and make it work, but ended things after she cheated on him again and then punched him giving him a black eye.

He has a lot of unresolved issues from his childhood/relationship with his ex and tries to work through these by doing his martial arts (which he is heavily into, not just the physical side, but also the spiritual side). He mediates a lot, and has explored possibly every religion on the planet trying to find that answer as to why it happened to him I suppose.

Anyway, we talked, he thought I had tried to glass him Shock and this was why he reacted as he did. It's no excuse but he said he felt like he was in some sort of trance, it was almost like watching himself outside of his body. We worked through and resolved a lot of our issues and 2 years later we're doing great and are happy. He has swore he would never do it again, I believe him, and I know he believes it too. I'm not scared of him at all (if anything I've always been the more aggressive and argumentative out of the 2 of us).

But I do wonder sometimes, was I right to stay? Am I fooling myself like so many women before and it will happen again at some point? I don't doubt him at all. But I am aware that what happened wasn't something you can anticipate happening, it was purely circumstantial (I think that's the word I'm looking for). So I'm asking here if anyone else has successfully gone on after something like this, or do all DV incidents lead on to more of the same?

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IsOnceTooOften · 16/06/2012 20:39

Oh god sorry it's so long. Blush

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dangerousliaison · 16/06/2012 21:01

what a horrid situation, all though i dont condone any for of dv even throwing drinks over people Wink and I have been a child witnessing violence day in and day out. What happened in your house that day was ugly and not nice for anyone, but from what you write it sounds like he was having some sort of breakdown and so i think that you can both be on track and stay on track. if it was to come to it and you feel you should maybe worth both of you seeking help with anger. If not now I would certainly be aware of the stressors in your life and relationship and seek counceling early in future if your circumstances mean there is alot of preasure on you both. How old is your eldest dd?

IsOnceTooOften · 16/06/2012 21:03

I've just realised that says mediates I meant meditates a lot. Blush

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IsOnceTooOften · 16/06/2012 21:05

dangerousliaison thank you for replying, our eldest is 20.

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NeverKnowinglyUnderstood · 16/06/2012 21:12

How awful! The hardest thing is the only way you will know if it will happen again is time or to leave. if you leave it can't happen again, if you stay it may never happen again.

I totally agree with DL.
The other thing I would add is that my father was hugely violent for about 5 years. Then he stopped, one particular incident when he thought he had killed my sister seemed to open his eyes to what he had actually been doing. In the last 20 years he has been a totally devoted and loving father, gentle and kind.

It is too late in so many ways, dh and I are on tenderhooks each time our kids go to stay there without us, but he has never raised his voice with them let alone a fist.

No idea what you may gain from my input, but if it was a one off your relationship may not be too damaged to survive. Good luck to you!

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dangerousliaison · 16/06/2012 21:50

I think he must have also been afraid, dttany, he had a drink thrown over him and a glass thrust in his face.

dangerousliaison · 16/06/2012 21:52

although not an excusse but i think it should be considered there where some anger problems all round in this situation, and im not saying that to get at you Op but just to help consider what both you and dp where going through and experiencing at the time.

I think its conceivable for both of them to have the ability for this to never happen again if that is what they are both commited to.

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TeiTetua · 16/06/2012 22:02

You will note that in this case the woman started the violence, not the man. But when he fought back, he did more damage. I wonder how often that happens.

I think you may reasonably let this pass, once. If someone responds to a stressful situation violently and then reacts to their own behaviour by looking at their own mental state to see how it happened, and making sure they don't repeat it, I'd be willing to accept it. People can say to themselves "I must never do this again" and hopefully, that's the way it will be.

But if a person has the kind of mind that causes them to respond to difficulties in a relationship with violence, and it happens repeatedly, that's unbearable. That's a partnership that pretty much has to end.

tribpot · 16/06/2012 22:09

Does he believe he has put strategies in place to ensure that his behaviour is not repeated? What are they? Does he still worry about what he did to you?

thechairmanmeow · 16/06/2012 22:10

i'm no expert but as far as i understand it DV is a pattern of reasserting domminence over a partner, when someone feels their domminence has been marinalised.
i dont think a normal argument turning into physical violence is the normal pattern, but i'm sure it happens. but clearly you stopped talking and started useing actions , throwing a drink over someone and cutting them with the glass is a criminal offense in itself, it's only because he is the man that many people will overlook that.
you dont hit girls? well, i would say you dont hit people, unless you want to get hit back.

domestic violence is a plague in our society 1 in 4 women exoperienceing it at some stage in their life , but what you have discribed here isnt that, it's a terrible situation, job losses, money trouble, depression, uncertainty on top of liveing on a building site. this was a squabble, a very serious one, but a squabble none the less.

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IsOnceTooOften · 16/06/2012 22:14

Thank you all for the replies, very much food for thought, I will have a long think about everything that's been said.

Just in response to dittany I'm not going on just his word for how is relationship with his ex is. She has been terribly abusive to DSD over the years so much so that we officially got residence 11 years ago but she was living with us unofficially long before that. She also has 2 other children who live with their dad because she is so abusive. We also have a fantastic relationship with DSD's grandparents (her mum's parents) who verify everything he's told me. They have nothing to do with her and she's their daughter! DSD also tries to have nothing to do with her, but her mum harasses her quite a lot.

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thechairmanmeow · 16/06/2012 22:14

dittany. how would you respond if a woman threw a drink in your face , and cut you with the glass?

sc2987 · 16/06/2012 22:16

She said he wasn't cut

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Leithlurker · 16/06/2012 22:17

The only question you have to address op, is has he ever made you think that you are unsafe or at risk since the event you wrote about.

FWIW I beleive humans do have the capacity to change, some would have you go down the route of thinking that every person who has ever been aggressive is like a wild animal, once they have tasted blood they will do it again.

thechairmanmeow · 16/06/2012 22:18

yes she diddnt cut him, i misread that , sorry.

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IsOnceTooOften · 16/06/2012 22:21

The question has always been at the back of my mind. Did I do the right thing by staying? I'm 99% certain that I did, but that 1% is always there niggling, what if.

I have always been very vocal about DV and have always said I would never stand for a man hitting me. But this, the circumstances in which it happened aren't as cut and dried as the "usual DV" you encounter on the Relationship board.

I think I've always wanted others' opinions on it also. My mum has her opinion but she's very close maybe too close.

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