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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is DV always repeated, or is it possible for it never to happen again?

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IsOnceTooOften · 16/06/2012 20:39

I have namechanged to ask this. I'm asking here rather than relationships as I suppose it's not really advice I'm looking for, more people's opinions and experiences, and it is also quite a big feminist issue.

I have been with my DH for 17 years, married for 13, we have 3 children, (eldest isn't mine). 2 years ago we were going through one hell of a rough patch. We've had rough patches before but nothing like this. It had pretty much been building up since I got pregnant with our youngest in 2006. Brought on by a combination of living in a house that was falling down around us, but being unable to afford to move. Job losses (plural), money problems and depression (for both of us, I got PND). Before this our relationship was solid, really solid, he was (and is again now) my best friend as well as partner in life.

We had been verging on the possibility of a trial separation, but agreed to work at things first, as both still loved each other and didn't want to split. This one occasion he'd gone for a drink on a Saturday afternoon with our eldest. He wasn't drunk but was tipsy. We got into an argument over something very trivial. I (stupidly) threw my drink over him, but in the process managed to touch his face with the glass although it didn't shatter and it didn't cut him. I literally saw the red mist descend over his eyes. He was angry, really angry I'd never seen him that angry before. He grabbed me around the throat, he wasn't strangling me (I wasn't choking) but with enough force to hold me in place. I couldn't get him off me and had to shout for our eldest to come down and help me. (The younger kids were in bed but would have been able to hear me shouting). Our eldest managed to get him off me, he then turned on her and pushed her, so she punched him in the face. This winded him a bit, I was trying to get him to calm down when he turned and pushed me quite forcefully and I fell against the fridge and washing machine (had a nasty bruise down my side and across my shoulder). Our eldest then set upon him again screaming at him that "You don't hit girls, dad, WTF are you doing?"

This was all happening in the kitchen which is at the front of the house. The windows were wide open as it was the height of summer and the neighbours must have obviously heard as the next thing 2 police cars pulled up outside the house and banged on the door. I let them in, and this seemed to snap DH out of the red mist like state he was in. They walked him into the living room were he crumpled to floor in a heap and started sobbing. At this point the kids were shouting for me from upstairs and needed to go and reassure them but the police insisted on coming upstairs and checking on the kids too. (Fair enough). When they checked on the kids they took some details from me, asked if I was all right and then left.

When I got downstairs DH was curled up in a ball sobbing his heart out. I didn't feel scared of him at all, I wasn't scared when he attacking me I knew I just needed to get him to calm down. My first instinct was to actually comfort him, but he wouldn't let me near him. The next day he was very solemn, he went to the local church something he hadn't done in years (I'm an atheist, he's a non practising C of E). He was gone for a few hours.

After it happened I kept thinking, I need to leave him now don't I? I'm not a "battered wife" I refuse to let any man hit me. But my desires to stay were stronger. He apologised to both me and our eldest, and we decided to go to Relate. I also told my mum, I decided I wasn't going to keep it a secret, because if it ever did happen again I wanted to make sure someone else knew about the first time.

He isn't a violent person, in the almost 2 decades I've known him he's never so much as hit anyone, let alone argue with people, he is very much the peacemaker and would much rather find a way to talk about things to resolve them. He did have the most horrendous childhood though, he grew up starving and living in squalor, he was mentally and physically abused by his mum and was in and out of care with his brother. He then left school and the care system only to end up in an abusive relationship with his ex (the abuse was on her part) she basically took over the role of his mum abusing him. (I'm not just going on his account of things, I have seen first hand the abuse and devastation she can dish out not only to DH but also to their child together - who I class as my own because we've brought her up together from an early age, as her mum also abused her mentally and physically). She got pregnant when DH was just 17 and her 18. He stayed with her for another 2 years after their child was born to try and make it work, but ended things after she cheated on him again and then punched him giving him a black eye.

He has a lot of unresolved issues from his childhood/relationship with his ex and tries to work through these by doing his martial arts (which he is heavily into, not just the physical side, but also the spiritual side). He mediates a lot, and has explored possibly every religion on the planet trying to find that answer as to why it happened to him I suppose.

Anyway, we talked, he thought I had tried to glass him Shock and this was why he reacted as he did. It's no excuse but he said he felt like he was in some sort of trance, it was almost like watching himself outside of his body. We worked through and resolved a lot of our issues and 2 years later we're doing great and are happy. He has swore he would never do it again, I believe him, and I know he believes it too. I'm not scared of him at all (if anything I've always been the more aggressive and argumentative out of the 2 of us).

But I do wonder sometimes, was I right to stay? Am I fooling myself like so many women before and it will happen again at some point? I don't doubt him at all. But I am aware that what happened wasn't something you can anticipate happening, it was purely circumstantial (I think that's the word I'm looking for). So I'm asking here if anyone else has successfully gone on after something like this, or do all DV incidents lead on to more of the same?

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dittany · 16/06/2012 22:24

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tribpot · 16/06/2012 22:24

Everyone says theirs isn't the usual DV, IsOnceTooOften.

Are you still vocal about DV? Do you feel you can be, after what happened?

What does your DH say about it now, or does he prefer not to dwell on it?

Leithlurker · 16/06/2012 22:25

Exactly so past behaviour is only a factor not a predictor.

thechairmanmeow · 16/06/2012 22:26

op, in answer to your question, yes relationships can get past DV if the love is enough and you both ( but especialy the perpetrator) see councelling.

hopeing it wont happen again isnt enough , but i'm talking about the typycal DV pattern, not what happend to you.

i agree with tie tetua "you may resonably let it pass, once"

dittany, if my wife hit me i would say "do that again and i'll hit you back"
if she hit me again, i would hit her back, allmost equallity eh?

IsOnceTooOften · 16/06/2012 22:27

Leithlurker no he hasn't made me feel unsafe or at risk since the incident not in the slightest.

Even when it was happening I wasn't actually scared of being badly hurt, I just needed to get him the fuck off me! It was like his was actually insane when it was happening and he couldn't see reason.

Thinking about, his mum is diagnosed schizophrenic as was his dad (although he never knew his dad) the way he was that night was almost like he has described his mum's behaviour when he was a kid. Does schizophrenia run in families? Is it possible the stress could be a possible trigger for some underlying mental health issues?

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CocoPopsAddict · 16/06/2012 22:28

For what it's worth, my grandfather once hit my grandmother. She told him if he ever laid a finger on her again she would leave him. He never laid a finger on her again.

So yes, it is possible that it's a one-off, but of course there are no guarantees in life.

Leithlurker · 16/06/2012 22:29

Tribot it is a fair question however the answer is not so telling as you might think, if he does not like to dwell on it what does that mean. It could mean he minimises it and wants to never talk of it again as he is not fully accepting of his actions.
Or it could be he is deeply ashamed and it causes him mental distress to think about it. That does not mean that he is unaware of how wrong he was.

dittany · 16/06/2012 22:30

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IsOnceTooOften · 16/06/2012 22:31

tribpot yes I'm still just as vocal about DV as I ever was. We do talk about it, quite frequently actually, it's not something we can just sweep under the carpet if we want our relationship to work. I have also said to him several times "You do know if you ever laid a finger on me again you wouldn't see me or the kids for dust". He has said that yes he knows that, and he completely understands it, and would do the same if the situation was reversed.

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 16/06/2012 22:32

OP, DH and I once had a drunken row (we were both drunk.) I slapped his face, he slapped my arse... and was so horrified at himself the row stopped there. Almost 30 years later and it's never happened again, and I am not afraid of him on any level. DV can be a one-off.

(Or do I have to wait till one of us is dead to say that?)

thechairmanmeow · 16/06/2012 22:32

yes, i would be very angry but i wouldnt hit her/him

tribpot · 16/06/2012 22:34

Leith - agreed. I wasn't trying to draw a conclusion from his willingness or unwillingness to discuss the violent assault he committed on his wife and daughter (because remorseful or not, that's what it was). He may be genuinely and deeply sorry for what he did, and has invested time and effort in ensuring it could never happen again.

All I hear from this thread, however, is IsOnceTooOften wondering if it will ever happen again.

dittany · 16/06/2012 22:35

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tribpot · 16/06/2012 22:36

Sorry, IsOnceTooOften, I cross-posted with you.

It's good he appreciates the seriousness of the situation and isn't trying to hide from it. Does he know how he would prevent it from happening again?

enimmead · 16/06/2012 22:38

And what could happen if it happens again?

He has been violent once in response to a minor incident. Is it worth the risk or do you think it was a one off? I don't know and it is one hell of a risk.

Leithlurker · 16/06/2012 22:40

Sorry Tribot my apologies I did not mean to put intentions in to your words.
I too get that she is asking for maybe something no one can give her, the fact that they talk about it is probably the biggest reason for hope that it will never happen again.

tribpot · 16/06/2012 22:41

Not at all, Leithlurker, I didn't interpret it that way. Just clarifying my earlier post.

dangerousliaison · 16/06/2012 22:42

i agree with TeiTetua

I once gave an ex a black eye through hitting him with my mobile phone and threw the TV at him, not my proudest moment and would never ever repeat it. But I he did shut me in a bedroom and hold the door to enrage me. no excuss but that is how I reacted to him once he let go of the door.

I did exactly that, told myself, no matter what emotional hurt is caused to me i will never ever behave like that again as if im ever tempted to then that is not a relationship i should hold on to any longer. I never have since and never will again.

Leithlurker · 16/06/2012 22:47

Enim: No it is not one hell of a risk it is a risk and the op is the one to be best placed to assess that risk which is what she came here to ask about. Do not try and undermine her confidence in her own judgement. If sh felt unsafe we would all be saying get out run. However she is clear in saying she has 99% faith in him and her.

bobbledunk · 16/06/2012 22:55

If someone threw their drink at me the glass hitting my face I would respond with violence, of course nobody would call me an abuser as a result because I'm female, it would be considered justified by provocation or self defense. The guilty party would be recognised as the one who instigated the violence. I don't see why we should have double standards for men. You were the one who behaved violently, he responded violently in anger. That's a fairly common response when you attack people.

edam · 16/06/2012 23:02

Come off it bubble, do you not have a sense of proportion? The OP threw a drink over him, he grabbed her by the throat and had to be pulled off her! Then he attacked their daughter, the daughter fought back, so he attacked the OP. Again.

The OP did one stupid thing, he did a succession of them and was violent towards two people for a sustained period of time. You are not dealing with equivalents here. And I'd imagine the OP is smaller and less strong than him as well.

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TeiTetua · 16/06/2012 23:52

Having had a while to think about this some more, I think the essential question is whether someone who acts violently is doing something that's in character or not. A lot of people may snap if they're pushed far enough, without ever being violent before. And for some (let's hope a great many) having seen what they're capable of once, they may keep a guard over themselves in the future.

A habitually violent person hurts other people to deal with problems. Not anyone we ought to tolerate near us.

RumbleGreen · 17/06/2012 00:12

People can snap it does happen when someone who has never been violent before may be so in the certain situation. I don't know what advice to give you as you know him better than anyone else here and you already feel 99% confidant it is a one off.

He does have a history of being abused, and whilst you may have only intended to throw your drink at him, you still hit him in the face with glass in the middle of an argument with both of you angry at each other i think for most people in that situation such a thing would be perceived as an attack.

I think his reaction was out of proportion and he should take steps to make sure he does not act like that again

enimmead · 17/06/2012 15:05

I would be worried about his reaction again if he felt he was being provoked. He has had a very troubled childhood and has known abuse. No one knows how he will react again if a similiar incident happens even though it does sound like you think he is working through his issues. He did have his hands around your throat and pushed you and your daughter away with some force.

The thing is - you know that you can't tell if it is a one off. No one can. He's swore he won't do it again. I've no experience of DV but I would hope it is a one off. It's just that I know how an argument can escalate and things can happen. I hope you have both been able to work through how to handle heated moments.