Does anyone have figures for people in prison for consensual sex with similarly aged but underage partners?

[SardineQueen]

Just looking at another thread on here and a lot of people saying they know young men who are in prison / on the sex offenders register for consensual sex - the ages being talked about are 15 and 17.

Also someone saying that in young offenders institutes there are a of young people in there for similarly aged consensual sex.

This seems unlikely to me but I have no figures to go on so I don't really know. Does anyone have any stats on this?

Thanks.

[chocladoodle]

SQ

You'll just have to take my word on that. Try and see that maybe I DO know something that you don't and just because you refuse to accept it doesn't make ME wrong. My only suggestion would be for you to contact the Crown Office and ask what their interpretation of the law is and their ideals in enforcing it. You might however only get linked to the legislation.

Why are you so quick to dismiss what I say?

[chocladoodle]

KlickKlack - well I'm glad that point is at least sorted

[SardineQueen]

choc says categorically that in scotland, "Another thing that is illegal is in the case when both boy and girl are under 16yrs. The boy would be able to be prosecuted but not the girl".

I want to know her source for that.
She quoted the legislation to back up her statement, but the legislation says something completely different.
Then she said that "Even though the legislation states that a boy and girl under 16 could both be charged, it is the decision of the Crown office that the girl would not be convicted of such an offence as it would not be in the public's best interest". I want to know her source for that. If it is in the guidance it will be written down. She is very definite and I want to know where it has come from, other than just her feelings about it all.

[SardineQueen]

Oh come off it

Do you know what "illegal" means?
Illegal means what the law says

"Another thing that is illegal is in the case when both boy and girl are under 16yrs. The boy would be able to be prosecuted but not the girl"

The law that you have linked to DOES NOT say this.
You also keep saying the law is to protect girls who get pregnant. That is NOT TRUE in England at least the law is there to protect children of both sexes.

[chocladoodle]

It is not just my feelings!!!!

I have first hand experience of dealing with this sort of thing.

I have studied the law and enforced it!!!!

I DO know about this sort of thing.

Hasn't that been obvious from my posts!!!

[EdithWeston]

Whichever county of UK you are in, surely the key bit is "unless it involves abuse or exploitation"?

For if it is assumed this is an offence which will never be prosecuted, even when there is a possible defence of age propinquity, then it fosters an assumption that sex with girls under 16 is OK, and makes it harder for girls to confide in responsible adults about situations with undue pressure. The possibility of prosecution for anything other than enthusiastically consensual sex may only be a small part of a boy's thinking, but it's a nagging doubt that damn well ought to be there.

[chocladoodle]

SQ

Please go back and read my posts. I have already explained all this.

[SardineQueen]

I have read your posts.
I don't understand.
There is no logic.

I have been talking about the sexual offences act 2003 throughout this thread, that contains the statement "Although the age of consent remains at 16, the law is not intended to prosecute mutually agreed teenage sexual activity between two young people of a similar age, unless it involves abuse or exploitation."

This sets my mind at rest that boys and girls who are of older teenage years are not being prosecuted for mutually agreed sex.

Something different appear to be in place in scotland - which I am very surprised about - although there is no source for this claim. Still, apparently in scotland, the law is applied differently to boys and girls.

If I were a mother of a boy in scotland I would have something to say about that.

Fortunately things are very different here in England.

[chocladoodle]

If I were a mother of a boy in Scotland then I would damn well make sure he respected girls and didn't coerce 14 and 15 yr olds into having sex.

I would also ensure he knew that it is illegal to have sex below the age of 16.

If he chose to have sex then I would make sure he understood the meaning of consensual and mutual agreement.

If he and she (or he) were sensible and the previous point applied then I would also see that the chances of the police chapping on our door was also a very unlikely prospect.

[SardineQueen]

Yes I think those things are all absolutely spot on.

Great post IMO

[SardineQueen]

• contraception

[SardineQueen]

But yes that is spot on.

[chocladoodle]

No I would tell him that contraception was the responsibility of the girl.






*joke

[SardineQueen]

[SardineQueen]

That was a of laughter BTW

Am not chanelling peppa pig