Crikey it feels a bit like a war zone at the moment!

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I'm talking about that silly MRA group. It was so nice that we got the "I believe you" campaign going, such a valuable campaign. I suppose what with mothers day coming up as well, it just proved too much for the misogynists! So sad.

"What are you basing this assertion on?"

The testimony of solicitors and barristers who work on child custody hearings.

If a woman makes an allegation of DV or child abuse (true or not) it is game over. The silver bullet. No court will then view a man in an equal light to a woman. He is then seen as potentially violent and a real risk to children. The reverse is not true. The court will want to see real evidence of a woman's guilt before even looking to strip her of any of her rights.

I believe O'Connor got his cock out in public today

suffragettes ? No comparison

"You may mock but it is clearly who F4J model themselves on. Chaining themself to railings, detonating bombs, hunger strikes and other militant acts."

First off the suffragettes had a real cause to fight for. F4J don't.

Second off I don't remember the suffragettes dressing up as batman with weirdly bulging crotches and climbing on the top of buildings, intimidating women by handcuffing themselves to them or sitting on top of the roofs of their homes, stripping naked and frightening the horses outside M&S, or putting out a poster of a crying little boy with "rapist" written on him amongst other choice words. Those little stunts are all F4J's work.

As for hunger strikes - wouldn't Matt O'Connor miss his pies?

So the women on MN who speak of being forced to allow contact with totally unsuitable men, are they all liars, in your opinion.

Mind you I agree with them that family court proceedings should happen in public, with names held back from the press like they do for victims in rape trials. I don't think it would help F4J's case though. I think we'd hear what life is really like for a lot of women and children when they are working to escape abusive men.

NSPCC research puts mothers as responsible for 49% of all child abuse cases (with other relatives, strangers and fathers making up the other 51%).

In family court, twice as many mothers make child abuse allegations against fathers as do fathers against mothers.

NSPCC research puts mothers as responsible for 49% of all child abuse cases (with other relatives, strangers and fathers making up the other 51%)

first, link to that please. and does that figure take into consideration neglect or "just" physical or sexual abuse? And is that reported abuse?

Both men and women who are trying to escape abusive partners need to have their cases open to the public.

hellooo sgm, you ain't too shabby yerself

still standing after the not-so-subtle threats on a website devoted to child's welfare (so they say...) ?

I wondered how long it would take to get back to "women abuse men too" yes, they do. and its wrong. doesnt make M:F abuse right though. and a huge proportion of on male DV is M:M.

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Most of the violent treatment (78%) had happened at home, most often by mother(49%) or father (40%). More than a fifth of those reporting this violent treatment had experienced it regularly, with young women slightly more likely to report this than young men.

www.nspcc.org.uk/inform/research/findings/childmaltreatmentintheunitedkingdom_wda48252.html

Given the different amounts of time that mothers and fathers spend with their children, the results are startling, yes. Incredible, really.

Without knowing the amount of time that the children in the survey were spending with each parent (hard to be abused by your father if he left before you were born) the statistic is meaningless.

What you need to do is get an expert in stats on that. I think I know one

It also shows that women and men both abuse children. Well shocker. You couldn't make it up.

Nice to see that MN leading (and yes I say leading ) radical feminist is rigth there shoulder to shoulder with you on the family courts - secrecy issues. As are many others. Shame you can't all get together with a common aim, isn't it.

Sardine Queen if you even accept that abuse it equal by both partners (you dont I take it?) then how do you explain the fact that twice as many women accuse men of abusing the children in custody/contact hearings?

What is going on? Is the legal system encouraging false allegations or do men stay quiet about their wifes abuse of the children?

AbF...are you talking about bio fathers or stepfathers in your stats ?

you need to be more specific, or the stats do

That is possibly both.

Step fathers I would have thought would tend to push up the instances, therefore making biological fathers would even less of a risk than mothers.

The study does not take into account how much time the children are with each parent.

Given that many father have little or no contact with their children (surely the reason you are here) then the stats will be skewed. A father who does not have much contact, does not have much chance to abuse. They really should have looked at that and adjusted figures accordingly.

The study you have linked to found as one of it's "surprising" findings that step-parents were not particularly likely to be abusive.

Have you read the whole study?

I was the primary carer for my son from birth to age 3. My wife was out at work week days 8-8.

But yes in the last year I have had no contact, no phone conversations, no correspondence.

F4J say there are 4 million children growing up "fatherless" in the UK.

There are 11.5 million children in the UK.

That means that 1/3 of all children are "fatherless"
Yes fathers still manage to perpetrate 40% of the violence against them.

Would you like some further calculations? Because I think you can see that clearly that survey shows that fathers commit the majority of violence against children.