Feminist perspectives on transgendered people

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Excuse the random intrusion (haven't posted here before) but I've been watching My Transsexual Summer on C4 and it's raised some questions for me; basically, I was just wondering if there was any sort of feminist consensus on transgendered/transsexual individuals, whether there's any difference in opinions depending on whether they are FtM or MtF, pre or post surgery etc.

Not looking for a bunfight, just curious, if it helps any I am a cisgendered female these days but went through a phase in my late teens of being desperately uncomfortable in my own gender and wanting very much to be male.

Tiggy, I am sure that you are right - most trans people do not behave like trans activists and would be sensitive in certain situations.

But I shouldn't have to rely on that, anymore than a black person should have to rely on white people to be sensitive. All minority groups should have protection under the law from discrimination.

Personally, as a trans-woman, I dislike it when Cis people try to talk about transgender issues, when they have't felt it before, it's like if a man came and tried to talk about women's issue's, you'd appreciate it, but it isn't their place, no offence, give transgender people a voice, DON'T try and talk for them (Us) :D

Transgender* Transgendered isn't a thing.

It's like saying "I'm Americaned" I have always been, am, and wlaways will be a transgender woman, and I'm proud of that! :D Doesn't mean I should be considered any less of a woman.

Personally, as a trans-woman, I dislike it when Cis people try to talk about transgender issues, when they have't felt it before, it's like if a man came and tried to talk about women's issue's, you'd appreciate it, but it isn't their place, no offence, give transgender people a voice, DON'T try and talk for them (Us) :D

Pot, kettle, etc.

This thread is even more revived than I am, it's nearly 5 years old!

if a man came and tried to talk about women's issue's

Dead right. A man has, at best, limited understanding of how it is to be born, live, and grow up as female in a predominantly patriarchal society.

it's like if a man came and tried to talk about women's issue's, you'd appreciate it, but it isn't their place,. . . .

Sorry i know this is a zombie thread but that was too hilarious a comment to ignore

Yes, just imagine that. A man. Claiming he knew what it was like to be a woman and womens issues. Cos that would never happen

You might be trans but it doesn't prevent you from reading the huge, frikkin notice telling you this thread is 5yrs old!!!!

Did laugh at the we have no idea what it is like to be trans crap but apparently transwonen know what it is like to be a woman.

Can't have it both ways.

Who ARE these cis people to which you refer?

What is a cis person?

Oh for fucks sake this is years old!

Cis?

Cis is a silly term used by some transpeople to define people whose gender matches their sex - eg Unicorns would probably say that "ciswomen" & "transwomen" are both subsets of women.

It's silly (and rude) because
a) gender is just a bunch of daft stereotypes & nobody conforms to all of them
b) Tautology. Biological women just are women and don't need a prefix.

As for the issue of not talking for other groups, Unicorns is absolutely right and I wish more TWs recognised that they have no idea of what it is to be a woman.

Sorry Empress I was raising my eyebrow at being addressed as cis yet again. It's a bullshit term IMO used by MTT to denigrate women.

I was still a libfem squeaking on about cis privilege when this thread was started

No problem Ladyballs, WaitrosePigeon was asking too!

...and now to sit and re-read this thread, which was genuinely a noob's first interaction with feminism/gender/trans discourse, an awful lot has changed in five years...

I think a lot of us have moved on since this thread!

If nothing else I've had a bit of a laugh at my naive and clumsy attempts to work through some adolescent gender issues.

Haha what a funny revival.