In light of MNHQ's recent statement that the feminism section is in fact not a feminism section but a section 'about' feminism, perhaps we need to be warning people about this up front?

[Beachcomber]

I'm of the opinion that it needs to made clear that whilst the title may be 'feminism/women's rights', this section is quite different to other boards that deal with feminism/women's rights.

It isn't fair to mislead - lots of posters expect the section to be a place where feminist views can be freely explored without fear of posters' mental health being questioned, and a zone where misogyny is unwelcome. In reality, pretty much anything goes here and whilst it is, of course, MNHQ's prerogative to run their site as they see fit, some sort of disclaimer about the section seems only fair in order to forewarn posters (especially posters looking for support or exploration of sensitive issues).

Perhaps it would be an idea for there to be a header at the top of the section stating MNHQ's position?

All suggestions welcomed .

I've never said that there weren't trollish wankers that needed to be dealt with. I've responded to the subject of the thread -- which is whether FWR should have distinctive moderation or posting guidelines, which in my view it should not. And yes it does seem hostile.

Actually as said pretty clearly by myself, AF and others, it is the pile-on 'troll as platform to have a go at people' thing which is the worst bit.

The trolls can go fuck themselves - they are nothing as long as they don't get people on their side with their insidious, sly chipping away at posters and this board.

They know exactly what they are doing. A sock puppet here, a regular with and axe to grind there and the Troll's Charter is on a roll.

Looks like the job's a good 'un from where I'm sitting.

Thanks aitch. That means a lot. I am upset and a bit baffled at the hostility.

Okay, not literally a fallacy because it is implication only. Maybe 'disingenuous'

she may just have got you mixed up with someone, it's been a long thread.

what do you mean, linds? am not getting your last two.

also - these are men who hate women and think women should be made to shut up if they dare get out of line. these are men who have no problem with violence to women etc.

funnily enough i'm sure a lot of rapists, women beaters etc are pathetic little twats - it doesn't stop them being dangerous.

there are 'few' of them because they are extremist - their 'fewness' is not a good thing it's a clear indication of what a lunatic fringe they are.

real life people have been stalked and hunted down through social networking sites and threatened in real life.

telling people here to stop being so silly and it's nothing it doesn't matter etc is ridiculous.

someone told you that as a threat? that would be bannable, imo.

It wasn't said as a threat in so many words - it was a statement of geekery fact. Along with quite a lot of banal references to Biting Beaver (a feminist blogger who had to leave the internet due to RL stalking and death threats).

Call me a delicate flower but I don't like having to read that sort of crap. None of this said overtly of course - apart from the 'it would be easy to find anyone of you' statement. Don't know if it is still there or if it got deleted.

Poster is on this thread.

so no it wasn't considered bannable.

you're making assumptions about what mn do and where they apply the 'beyond the pale' stuff that aren't held up by the reality of what's been going on.

creepy.

Sorry, am working or shld be and posting in haste/with too much abbreviation/without enough thought. I meant that 'because 12 ppl have harmed others in the past, doesn't mean these particular 12 ppl will do harm, so that can't be used as an argument against the 'it's just 12 ppl' post'. Altho I'm not sure that's actually true now and don't have time to think it through, so I'll shut up on that point.

realistically it's open season for trolls and antifeminists in this section.

people are understandably, imo, making the assumption oh but the obvious or bad stuff would be deleted so they must be just talking about people who disagree with them because mnhq wouldn't let rape jokes or victim blaming or subtle threats from mra's stand and those posters would be banned.

the thing is they are NOT being banned - they're still here and often their comments are left to stand because they're not deemed as breaking guidelines.

this is part of why we need misogyny added to the guidelines so that mnhq's hands are not tied and they can delete and ban people on those grounds.

The poster is on this thread Aitch - and just about every other thread in the section (especially one's talking about rape/sexual assault/domestic violence).

Didn't get banned for joking that he could rape any one of us and not get caught either

One of the other posters from the MRA linked to sites keeps trying to get women on here to discuss their feelings about rape/talk about rape experiences.

exactly SaF, that gets to the heart of it.

well that was a bad call by HQ imo, beachy.

I really haven't the energy to engage with this thread more than I have already (MNHQ: sticky those threads! Give us an easy place to point genuine newbies!) but I just want to register my distaste for many of the reactions on this thread.

Women are deleting posts and leaving because they feel they have to protect themselves. This is not the place for a discussion on if their feelings are valid. They are deleting their history here and leaving, which rather suggests that the threat is real. This board is poorer for this. Where is the united response? We'd rather Beachcomber or Saf or Dittany or Sakura (who we might not all agree with but they're 'ours') leave so that the 'women ask for rape really' crowd can stay? Fuck that, frankly.

My feminist 'home' is being hauled over the coals and shut down, poster by poster, by arseholes. Screw that for a game of soldiers. They should be the ones leaving, not us.

you're always so informed about mra reasoning and actions edd - you seem very well researched on that area.

thanks victor. appreciated.

It's fact SAF, that's what happened