Separatist Feminism

[VictorGollancz]

Ok, I really am really very late for work at this point but I thought it might be nice to have a space in which we can discuss separatist feminism. I've read a lot of advocates of it, and even incorporate some elements of it into my own life - I prefer not to live with men, for example - but I don't practise it totally and I can't find any examples of any separatist communes.

Does anyone know anything more about it? Does anyone live in a separatist way?

Surprisingly good Wiki link here

yep-exactly Saf-this is what im on about aswell[i dont think anyone mentioned how great it is to be a sp]
but there is strenth in it isnt there-and this is what im also on about.
this should be aknowledged/taught.

I could do it on my own, truly who couldn't if they had to? I'm wondering what you're saying then? That people shouldn't be SAHMs? Because they require state/partner financial help?

im not sure who youre last post was to Posie-sorry-but
im not saying that people shouldnt be SAHMs.

No Posie, she's saying that your posts suggest that the presence of a man iin the home is essential to childrearing, when this is simply not true. Yes, of course having a partner can make life easier, but sometimes having a Man In The House makes things much, much worse - if the man is abusive, for instance, yet the woman has been convinced that any man is better than no man.

'Honestly? We should teach children/boys to be better and responsible fathers looooooong before we tell everyone how great it is to be a single parent'

Surely we should do both? Women die too, you know. I think if we bring up boys and girls both to be aware that if they have children, there may come a time when they have to manage alone, that would be much better for those children. I also think it'd have the knock-on effect of lessening the sense that children are really a woman's responsibility.

I think if you're saying, 'but we can't afford these handouts to single mums' (which it seems you are saying, posie?), you're looking at it the wrong way. We need to help change the way society functions as a whole, not add on some trivial bits of handout to what is essentially an out-of-date, oddly fossilized system. What we have now is such an anomaly: it's so rare to be in a situation where society could afford for only one partner in a family to work (often both parents and older children needed to work). But a lot of employment law and a lot of modern workplace customs developed at a time when the ideal was for one man to go out to work (and households where women worked were not what you'd aspire to, though they existed in large numbers). We need to change these models.

Like with anything, it's a long term commitment to have a child, in a way that getting married or having a relationship often isn't.
So I don't understand how people can think about TTC without considering all the responsibilities and having a back-up plan or two before actually giving birth.

SaF - I agree.

... sorry, the 'takes notes' was because I'm not a mum yet .... not because I'm cringe-makingly arse-liky ... though I possibly am ...

Not ball,. but definitely a backbone. And tiger claws.

ball?
balls.

Lionesses live in an abusive relationship, one dominant male, females do most of the work and providing, males eat first and kill or drive away the cubs of the females they've acquired by conquest. And they are polygamous
Never catch a tigress living like that!.

Nope....without my husband I would not have the choice to stay home and raise my children in the best way, I think, possible. A choice you seem to disagree that I should make.

Seems to me the old feminist adage of not warning a woman to walk alone at night to avoid attack is redundant here then? As whilst it's the rapist fault that rape occurs women really should protect themselves? Or is that not right now?

Bangs head hard on desk with the hypocrisy found HERE again.

And Daddy is fucking important, well to my dcs, they love him dearly and he brings a new perspective on the world. He's fallible but then so am I, he's changed a great deal since we met and continues to see the world from a more equal place as a father of a daughter. Seriously you have one child and think that you have any idea of what it's like to parent four, mixed gender, children with your crazy notions that everyone should put their children in daycare to keep their options open.....for me it was my career or my children's welfare, I chose them.

And you do discriminate against people of lower education and wealth, a Tesco check out woman could never get to a financially secure place to do it alone.

Eh? Posie, I don't think you're understanding ... I'm saying that it is bad that someone working at Tesco isn't financially able to raise her children alone! Not that this should continue!

What is the hypocrisy there?