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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Smear tests to subordinate women

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sakura · 06/07/2011 04:30

I have been looking at the recent threads about compulsory smear tests in Poland, and I have to say, it doesn'T surprise me that they're compulsory in some countries. THis is a natural, inevitable, progression from the actual purpose of screening.

[Oh, did you think smear tests were about saving women's lives?!?!]

wildkittydear made an excellent point (I hope she doesn't mind me quoting her}
"It is shocking that Poland is thinking of making very personal medical examinations for women compulsory. I personally am very offended by the way only breast and cervical cancer are championed as the only killers of women and I know that is an exaggeration!! but do you get my drift? Some illnesses get priority in the media and I am not convinced there is always a benign reason for this."

Yes, Womanhood is the "problem" to be cured. Women's organs that are seen as faulty-- because men don't have them. Not male = pathology.

The truth is that women's bodies are much, much healthier than men's because we have two Xs in our chromozomal make up and each X contains lots of life-preserving genes, whereas the Y is slightly pitiful by comparison.
This is why women live longer and why boys are more like to be born with chromozomal abnormalities or die when they get sick. Girls tend to recover.
The extra X gives women the biological upper hand.

Men don't really know how to look after their bodies either, in a general sense (healthy diet etc)

Considering this, it's really important to question why the medical fraternity is obsessed with getting women to their tests and not men. Men are more likely to contract all sorts of diseases and cancers, and much earlier in their life than women too.

But men are trusted to look after their own bodies and decide for themselves whether they want to be screened or not. There is no goverment promoted mass-screening programme of testicular cancer, for example. BEcause testicles belong to men, and are therefore regarded as "healthy until proven otherwize"Men are not frightened, coerced or cajolled into being screened because there is no obsession with controlling them.

THe history of medicine teaches us that women, and by default their sex specific organs, are regarded as defective and pathalogical. (when if any sex is defective, it is the male sex due to the Y, which renders them biologicaly more vulnerable to disease in a number of ways)

Greer has covered this in detail in The Whole Woman. She has examined the evidence which shows that cervical screening has done nothing to save women's lives.
Women are still dying from cervical cancer. Although the rate of cervical cancer has been dropping , that is not because of screening, but because because it was actually dropping naturally before mass screening was invented, and continues to drop at the same rate.

Often mistakes are made in the laboratories, and there have been cases of women who actually had healthy cervixes being treated for cancer, and women who had cancer were missed, and ended up dying.

As I said, the point is not to actually save women's lives, but to get women to comply, to STFU and to be penetrated by gynelogical instruments.I don'T get screened, because I've looked at the statistics and found that, despite screening, women are still dying of cervical cancer so the margin for human error in the tests is too great.

Which brings me to another important question. WTF are men doing in gynecology anyway? I mean, WhyTF are they even there? In the room? Sticking bits of metal into women? Researching vaginas, when it's not their place to do so? THe funding should go to female scientists and doctors [but that's for another thread]

I haven't had a smear test for over ten years. WHen I had my first at 18 the results came back telling me I needed to go for a re-test for possible cancerous cells. I went back, had another check, the second time it came back clear (after me scaring myself to death). After doing research I learned that if you have had sperm or even your period (if you'd just finished it) can interfere with the findings, making it look as though there may be cancerous cells when there aren't.

WHat a joke. And the joke's on women. And I haven't been back since.

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LeninGrad · 07/07/2011 15:23

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skrumle · 07/07/2011 15:48

SAF - i get it, but not necessarily an indicator of ovulation as i have PCOS.

i paid full price for the TCOYF book and was outraged upon reading it to discover that although it was all very interesting (i now know why doggy style is a bit too uncomfortable at times... Wine) it was of virtually no use to me in terms of getting pregnant as the PCOS meant most of the normal indicators used weren't applicable to me.

swallowedAfly · 07/07/2011 16:45

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GrimmaTheNome · 07/07/2011 16:53

I have PCOS and the only way I could 'Take Charge of My Fertility' was to get clomid and OPKs so that (a) I ov'd at all and (b) knew when I'd done it.

I have reason to love medical science! Grin

swallowedAfly · 07/07/2011 18:34

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forkful · 07/07/2011 20:44

swallowed - have a look into Agnus Castus to regulate your cycle - it's a herb - you can get in tablet form from pharmacy and health food shop. I used it to lengthen my cycles as they were just 21 days when I first came off the pill. I think they can also shorten cycles.

swallowedAfly · 07/07/2011 22:02

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Empusa · 07/07/2011 22:21

"Women are emphatically not taught to check their own cervix are they?!?!?!"

Possibly because not everyone can.
I know I cannot reach mine, even at the time of month when I should be able to.

"I'm still confused as to why any man would be doing smear tests on women today in 2011"

Because it's just a job.
I'm sure, given the amount of smear tests performed, and how many GP's are male, that the percentage of men doing it for abuse reasons are small.

TheBossofMe · 08/07/2011 07:18

saf - think egg white rather than snot for the discharge! And yes, not immediately obvious for me, but there when I wipe.

I also had a really irregular cycle, and found reflexology really helped regulate it, as, bizarrely, did maintaining regular exercise. Worth a go!

luvvinlife · 08/07/2011 08:37

The opening post is vitriolic insanity in the extreme

exoticfruits · 08/07/2011 08:54

I think that women ought to be encouraged, rather than forced (I don't think they should be forced to do anything). I wouldn't go without a regular smear test myself and I don't care whether a man or a women does it-all jobs should be open to both sexes.

rainbowtoenails · 08/07/2011 21:09

To clarify earlier confusion, diy smears involve taking a sample of cells and then putting them in the pack and posting it off to a lab for microscopic examination, much like the new diy test for bowel cancer.

bruxeur · 08/07/2011 21:47

Yes, cells off for sampling v good. How on earth do you sample the TZ yourself?

exoticfruits · 08/07/2011 21:52

I can't think why you would want to do it yourself-much simpler to have it done by someone who knows what they are doing.

GrimmaTheNome · 08/07/2011 21:53

Yeah, why DIY when you can get a man in.. Grin

Himalaya · 08/07/2011 22:46

You can get home dentistry kits too... Hmm.I fear the dentist far more than the speculum wielding practice nurse. But still would rather get the experts in than try to DIY my healthcare.

LeninGrad · 08/07/2011 22:51

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CoteDAzur · 09/07/2011 07:24

OP wasn't sakura's only "insane" post on this thread.

It is only a very disturbed mind that can insist smear tests are a means to control and subjugate women.

I don't think she is insane in general, but that her views on this subject are shockingly twisted. Whether it is because of the trauma of past sexual aggression, or something more specific to gynecology, I honestly feel that she needs professional help to help her overcome it. Because ranting on MN (actually feeling her views are reasonable and likely to be adopted by others, sadly) is not likely to help much.

exoticfruits · 09/07/2011 08:11

I don't think that ranting on MN is any help and that she would be better with professional counselling. I doubt whether anyone goes into medicine to subjugate women and I don't think there is anything strange in men going in for gynaecology, the best doctor I have ever been to see was a gynaecology consultant-to say that one area of medicine was closed to him would be ridiculous.

LeninGrad · 09/07/2011 08:21

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claig · 09/07/2011 08:32

'I don't think that ranting on MN is any help'
then why do you persist in doing it?

'and that she would be better with professional counselling.'
But if gynaecologists are a means to control and subjugate women, then what about profesional counsellors?

Only asking, only joking Smile

Himalaya · 09/07/2011 08:36

Leningrad - I agree it is 'poor form' to try to do an Internet diagnosis of the state of someone's mental health. But I think most people are just saying the idea that Sakura has expressed here is a bit bonkers in the everyday sense (wrong, extreme etc...)

People have taken the OP seriously and responded to it. Why is it better to say its 'oh it's just a rant, it would be rude to respond to it'. It's patronising.

exoticfruits · 09/07/2011 08:43

Is it wrong to be worried about someone's mental health and suggest they get help? Is there a line that you can't cross? Is there a point where you say 'that is bonkers, but I can't say so'.
I have suggested to other people, e.g. those who seem to be suffering from PND that they get professional help. Is this not on? Do we have to keep these thoughts to ourselves and either not respond, or respond in a way that makes it seem that we think OP is normal?'
Genuine questions-asking because I don't know the answers.

LeninGrad · 09/07/2011 08:45

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