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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Smear tests to subordinate women

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sakura · 06/07/2011 04:30

I have been looking at the recent threads about compulsory smear tests in Poland, and I have to say, it doesn'T surprise me that they're compulsory in some countries. THis is a natural, inevitable, progression from the actual purpose of screening.

[Oh, did you think smear tests were about saving women's lives?!?!]

wildkittydear made an excellent point (I hope she doesn't mind me quoting her}
"It is shocking that Poland is thinking of making very personal medical examinations for women compulsory. I personally am very offended by the way only breast and cervical cancer are championed as the only killers of women and I know that is an exaggeration!! but do you get my drift? Some illnesses get priority in the media and I am not convinced there is always a benign reason for this."

Yes, Womanhood is the "problem" to be cured. Women's organs that are seen as faulty-- because men don't have them. Not male = pathology.

The truth is that women's bodies are much, much healthier than men's because we have two Xs in our chromozomal make up and each X contains lots of life-preserving genes, whereas the Y is slightly pitiful by comparison.
This is why women live longer and why boys are more like to be born with chromozomal abnormalities or die when they get sick. Girls tend to recover.
The extra X gives women the biological upper hand.

Men don't really know how to look after their bodies either, in a general sense (healthy diet etc)

Considering this, it's really important to question why the medical fraternity is obsessed with getting women to their tests and not men. Men are more likely to contract all sorts of diseases and cancers, and much earlier in their life than women too.

But men are trusted to look after their own bodies and decide for themselves whether they want to be screened or not. There is no goverment promoted mass-screening programme of testicular cancer, for example. BEcause testicles belong to men, and are therefore regarded as "healthy until proven otherwize"Men are not frightened, coerced or cajolled into being screened because there is no obsession with controlling them.

THe history of medicine teaches us that women, and by default their sex specific organs, are regarded as defective and pathalogical. (when if any sex is defective, it is the male sex due to the Y, which renders them biologicaly more vulnerable to disease in a number of ways)

Greer has covered this in detail in The Whole Woman. She has examined the evidence which shows that cervical screening has done nothing to save women's lives.
Women are still dying from cervical cancer. Although the rate of cervical cancer has been dropping , that is not because of screening, but because because it was actually dropping naturally before mass screening was invented, and continues to drop at the same rate.

Often mistakes are made in the laboratories, and there have been cases of women who actually had healthy cervixes being treated for cancer, and women who had cancer were missed, and ended up dying.

As I said, the point is not to actually save women's lives, but to get women to comply, to STFU and to be penetrated by gynelogical instruments.I don'T get screened, because I've looked at the statistics and found that, despite screening, women are still dying of cervical cancer so the margin for human error in the tests is too great.

Which brings me to another important question. WTF are men doing in gynecology anyway? I mean, WhyTF are they even there? In the room? Sticking bits of metal into women? Researching vaginas, when it's not their place to do so? THe funding should go to female scientists and doctors [but that's for another thread]

I haven't had a smear test for over ten years. WHen I had my first at 18 the results came back telling me I needed to go for a re-test for possible cancerous cells. I went back, had another check, the second time it came back clear (after me scaring myself to death). After doing research I learned that if you have had sperm or even your period (if you'd just finished it) can interfere with the findings, making it look as though there may be cancerous cells when there aren't.

WHat a joke. And the joke's on women. And I haven't been back since.

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winnybella · 06/07/2011 09:02

Posted before finishing. So, yes, desperate measure are called for in the light of this.

Now how will the national health fund cope with treating all these women, I'm not sure Hmm

MollysChamber · 06/07/2011 09:02

Oh, what utter sexist bullshit to say that men should not work in gynae.

If you have a preference to being treated by a women then make that clear. Just as a man can make clear that he would be prefer to be seen by a man.

IWouldNotCouldNotWithAGoat · 06/07/2011 09:05

"the point is not to actually save women's lives, but to get women to comply, to STFU and to be penetrated by gynelogical instruments"

I am not being facetious when I say that you should consider professional counselling.

winnybella · 06/07/2011 09:06

It'll be the employers paying for the tests, not government, Cattleprod.

ShirleyKnot · 06/07/2011 09:06

What the?

MamaChocoholic · 06/07/2011 09:06

enough others have commented on your views on smears. but as a geneticist I wanted to respond to this:

The truth is that women's bodies are much, much healthier than men's because we have two Xs in our chromozomal make up and each X contains lots of life-preserving genes, whereas the Y is slightly pitiful by comparison.

you need to read up on X inactivation, which means that any given cell has only one working copy of the X chromosome. so male cells have just as many X chromosome gene products as female. although I agree the Y chromosome is a runt of a thing Grin and does appear to drive men to die younger on average.

upahill · 06/07/2011 09:08

Well OP think what you bloody well want but let me just say that I am so thankful that I went for my smear in February and I am undergoing treatment that I didn't know I needed. I had forgotten to make my appointments and had a bit of a stern reminder.

I am very grateful that I did.

Sure I am slightly traumaised but only at my own studpidty for not make an appointment sooner!

MollysChamber · 06/07/2011 09:13

I'd rather have a smear any day than have a prostate check.

AnnieLobeseder · 06/07/2011 09:13

Seriously? You sound completely unhinged. What utter misandrist crap.

TrillianAstra · 06/07/2011 09:16

Thank you MamaChocoholic. I wanted to question the rubbish about chromosomes (men more likely to have chromosomal abnormalities? no) but thought it was just a ranty sideline rather than the main point.

startail · 06/07/2011 09:16

I dislike compulsion too! But Poland is a Catholic country. I can imagine having smear tests becoming the norm being very useful to some women in overcoming their own, their partners or their families objections.

I gave up on smear tests for a while because I was always recalled because they had blood in them. (cervical erosion from the mini pill the nurse thinks).
Anyway they now have a new system that works regardless. Do I care if this was discovered by a man or a woman? Of course I don't, I'm just glad to be able to get results from a test that might save my life!

TrillianAstra · 06/07/2011 09:19

That's a good point about t being a Catholic country- making them compulsory could be a way of saying "this is not adultery, it is not sexual, it does not make you dirty, it is medicine and it is to keep you safe".

Bandwithering · 06/07/2011 09:27

@trillianastra, yeah if i'm honest, a compulsory smear test would suit my procrastinating personality. Instead of a letter in the post telling me I'm overdue for one, I'd really benefit more from a letter telling me "your apt is on the x of aug". OK, I'd groan when I got the letter but by x+1 of august i'd have had the damn smear.

OK, i'm going to dig out that letter, later.

Catslikehats · 06/07/2011 09:27

Wow Shock

Every so often a post on Mn will really make the mind boggle. Not because it is total bullshit, there are plenty of posters full of that, but because it is posted by someone who up until the point that they posted such extreme misandry, you has assumed they were actually fairly sane.

At that point you feel totally misled and incapable of rational judgement yourself

Bandwithering · 06/07/2011 09:27

Ireland is a catholic country too, and my letter just made me feel guilty about not having arranged my own smear test earlier! Grin

swallowedAfly · 06/07/2011 09:29

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TrillianAstra · 06/07/2011 09:32

I may use this for when people claim that misandry is a made-up word.

1 - All words are made up.
2 - It's perfectly ok to have a word for a concept even if the actual thing doesn't exist (unicorn, telepathy, for example)
3 - Clearly misandry does exist because look

TrillianAstra · 06/07/2011 09:32

I don't think that the vaccine against HPV prevents all kinds of cervical cancer, just the most common kind. So smears may still be necessary.

ShirleyKnot · 06/07/2011 09:36

I agree with you Trillian (er, am I just following you around today or what?) except for the bit about unicorns not existing.

Your argument falls on stony ground as far as that's concerned.

IWouldNotCouldNotWithAGoat · 06/07/2011 09:44

I know what I'm going to shout next time I have a smear, anyway.

"Damn you patriarchy! That's bloody well CHILLY!!"

claig · 06/07/2011 09:46

Not sure about unicorns, ShirleyKnot, but am convinced that telepathy exists.

sakura · 06/07/2011 09:47

Oookaaay Grin

Well maybe I aimed too high when I mentioned men's diets. I take that back.....

Yes, it was a rant. An angry rant at the shocking information about compulsory smear tests in Poland.

Coupled with what I have read about the history of smear tests, and the absolute lack of concern about lab standards, and the fact that women have been diagnosed of cancers they in fact did not have, and that women do continue to die of cervical cancer today, despite going for smear tests

If you want to check any of the details, please read The Whole Woman by Germaine Greer.

If you think I've made this all up myself, I have to thank you for crediting me with a fabulous imagination.

P.S Misogyny is a word to describe the woman-hating actions and feelings of men in a system that supports institutional emotional, physical and sexual violence against women and the economic exploitation they suffer, due the fact they have no power over decision making (laws etc), and that men get very little punishment for the crimes they commit (two women are murdered a week in the UK, for example, and the murderers get an average of 4 years)

Misandry OTOH, is a woman' reaction to the way women are treated as a class, by men.

Hardly comparable are they!

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claig · 06/07/2011 09:47

Some of those so-called comedies on telly are pathetic.

MamaChocoholic · 06/07/2011 09:48

Grin @ IWNCNWAG

iklboo · 06/07/2011 09:50

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