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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Smear tests to subordinate women

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sakura · 06/07/2011 04:30

I have been looking at the recent threads about compulsory smear tests in Poland, and I have to say, it doesn'T surprise me that they're compulsory in some countries. THis is a natural, inevitable, progression from the actual purpose of screening.

[Oh, did you think smear tests were about saving women's lives?!?!]

wildkittydear made an excellent point (I hope she doesn't mind me quoting her}
"It is shocking that Poland is thinking of making very personal medical examinations for women compulsory. I personally am very offended by the way only breast and cervical cancer are championed as the only killers of women and I know that is an exaggeration!! but do you get my drift? Some illnesses get priority in the media and I am not convinced there is always a benign reason for this."

Yes, Womanhood is the "problem" to be cured. Women's organs that are seen as faulty-- because men don't have them. Not male = pathology.

The truth is that women's bodies are much, much healthier than men's because we have two Xs in our chromozomal make up and each X contains lots of life-preserving genes, whereas the Y is slightly pitiful by comparison.
This is why women live longer and why boys are more like to be born with chromozomal abnormalities or die when they get sick. Girls tend to recover.
The extra X gives women the biological upper hand.

Men don't really know how to look after their bodies either, in a general sense (healthy diet etc)

Considering this, it's really important to question why the medical fraternity is obsessed with getting women to their tests and not men. Men are more likely to contract all sorts of diseases and cancers, and much earlier in their life than women too.

But men are trusted to look after their own bodies and decide for themselves whether they want to be screened or not. There is no goverment promoted mass-screening programme of testicular cancer, for example. BEcause testicles belong to men, and are therefore regarded as "healthy until proven otherwize"Men are not frightened, coerced or cajolled into being screened because there is no obsession with controlling them.

THe history of medicine teaches us that women, and by default their sex specific organs, are regarded as defective and pathalogical. (when if any sex is defective, it is the male sex due to the Y, which renders them biologicaly more vulnerable to disease in a number of ways)

Greer has covered this in detail in The Whole Woman. She has examined the evidence which shows that cervical screening has done nothing to save women's lives.
Women are still dying from cervical cancer. Although the rate of cervical cancer has been dropping , that is not because of screening, but because because it was actually dropping naturally before mass screening was invented, and continues to drop at the same rate.

Often mistakes are made in the laboratories, and there have been cases of women who actually had healthy cervixes being treated for cancer, and women who had cancer were missed, and ended up dying.

As I said, the point is not to actually save women's lives, but to get women to comply, to STFU and to be penetrated by gynelogical instruments.I don'T get screened, because I've looked at the statistics and found that, despite screening, women are still dying of cervical cancer so the margin for human error in the tests is too great.

Which brings me to another important question. WTF are men doing in gynecology anyway? I mean, WhyTF are they even there? In the room? Sticking bits of metal into women? Researching vaginas, when it's not their place to do so? THe funding should go to female scientists and doctors [but that's for another thread]

I haven't had a smear test for over ten years. WHen I had my first at 18 the results came back telling me I needed to go for a re-test for possible cancerous cells. I went back, had another check, the second time it came back clear (after me scaring myself to death). After doing research I learned that if you have had sperm or even your period (if you'd just finished it) can interfere with the findings, making it look as though there may be cancerous cells when there aren't.

WHat a joke. And the joke's on women. And I haven't been back since.

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SardineQueen · 06/07/2011 18:02

They sent me for a colposcopy at a hosp up in london and what happened was stirrups + poking around + the hot wire thing and home again.

It was a long time ago!

swallowedAfly · 06/07/2011 18:06

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ItsNotUnusual · 06/07/2011 18:07

I am near to hysterical (yes, I know that's inappropriate :) ) at:

Jeff on a bike! That would have to sting like a mofo?!?
and
it is a light show in your cervix with a smoke machine to top it off. first time i ever saw smoke coming out of my fanjo, i'm sure you can get paid for tricks like that somewhere in bangkok

SardineQueen · 06/07/2011 18:10

I mean, it was a long time ago, and I was very young, so I didn't question closely about this and that, I just went along and did what they said. They told me I was being sent for a colposcopy, so I imagined this was the cutting a bit out thing.

Having said that.

I think I remember one HCP saying that at 16 they would normally do other things (another smear?) rather than proceeding straight to a colp - as smears are not 100% - and can be affected by things like sexual activity, time of the month and so on (as per upthread).

SardineQueen · 06/07/2011 18:11

x-posts thanks SaF that makes sense!

GrimmaTheNome · 06/07/2011 18:12

INU - well you know the cure for that

SardineQueen · 06/07/2011 18:15

Anyway enough about my cervix Grin

And more about some other stuff.

Has anyone managed to find out whether this is still on the cards in Poland or not?

SardineQueen · 06/07/2011 18:15

And as an aside I am still boggling that anyone wouldn't be able to see a downside of compulsory smear tests.

swallowedAfly · 06/07/2011 18:27

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winnybella · 06/07/2011 18:34

I think so, Sardine.

Mouseface · 06/07/2011 18:54

ItsNotUnusual - I am so with you on that light show in me fanjo post from Saf Grin

CoteDAzur · 06/07/2011 18:56

Shock at the ignorance lack of understanding here re different procedures:

Colposcopy - painting your cervix with a vinegar solution and merely looking at it.

Biopsy - Cutting tiny pieces (like nail clippings) out of your cervix to be sent for analysis, in order to confirm the smear test diagnosis

... and assuming biopsy confirms smear diagnosis:
LEEP - Cutting a chunk out of your cervix with a hot wire, again to be sent for biopsy, in order to see if all of the precancerous cells were taken out (i.e. clean outer edges). If not, you will need to have another.

You cannot possibly have had a colposcopy, biopsy, and LEEP at the same time. The whole point of having a biopsy is to see if you really need the LEEP.

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Desiderata · 06/07/2011 19:07

I haven't had a smear for over thirty years.

I'd rather like to be surprised by my manner of death ..

CoteDAzur · 06/07/2011 19:13

Either you are not remembering it correctly, or your "doctor" doesn't properly deserve that title, and in that case I would wonder why you went back to him for another treatment.

If someone did a colposcopy, biopsy, and LEEP to you in the same visit, you should sue him for malpractice. He should not have removed a chunk of your cervix without being sure that it was a severe case of dysplasia, and that he could only know after seeing the results of the biopsy.

CoteDAzur · 06/07/2011 19:15

Just read that you weren't even given proper answers to your questions. Surely you knew that he wasn't the best gynecologist available?

I asked the same questions and was told that it would not affect my ability to carry to term any future children.

rainbowtoenails · 06/07/2011 19:27

I've not read the whole thread so apologies if I'm repeating anything.

I'm obviously going to be in the minority but I agree with Sakura.

Smear tests are something women can do themselves with DIY kits but the medical profession makes too much money from them, and they have such a powerful lobby with the government that policy wont change, even though it would save womens' lives and be cheaper, freeing up NHS cash to save yet more lives.

In the vast majority of cases CC is a STI, preventable by condom use. But we cant possibly expect men to wear condoms can we?

CC is not nearly as common as people think it is. An average woman has only a 1 in 132 chance of getting it over her lifetime and if she doesn't increase her risk by not smoking and having few sexual partners then the risk is much lower.

Smoking, stress, obesity, lack of exercise and alcohol are ENORMOUSLY bigger threats to womens' health that not attending smears.

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rainbowtoenails · 06/07/2011 19:39

If anyone wonders why some women dont trust men to perform smears read this and this about a GP who was sentenced to several years in jail after abusing women he did smears on.

Women complained about him for years and yet were dismissed. If smears wre compulsory there would be more cases like this. CC is treatable, the abuse these women suffered may be something they will NEVER recover from.

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