The Burning Times: fascinating docu on women's power before Christianity

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ANd why women are feared to the extent that they are accused of witchcraft and killed for it

[feminism is a collective movement women need to understand one another
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well said SAF.

who Saf-me?

lol-sorry wondered what i said wrong then.

Given that we're fairly near the end of this thread, and given that many of us post on the same threads, wouldn't it be easier if, in future:

We ignored personal attacks (other than reporting them).
We ignored debates about derailing and who said what.
We ignored posts that we don't find interesting. or important.
If we felt an important point was being missed or excluded, we posted about that topic ourselves, and went into detail about the point, so that other people could comment on it.

There are a lot of people talking about lots of very different aspects of this, and they're not all getting involved in every single aspect, and I think that is fine. If SGM doesn't comment on menstruation, GB doesn't talk about the Devil's Hammer and Dittany doesn't talk about protestants, or whoever and whatever, I don't think it really matters.

Although I would still like somebody who knows about it to answer my question about women and heresy.

Milly, I disagree.

I think the problem is that we ignore too much. You're saying the onus should be on posters to ignore others' bad behaviour. But it seems very clear to me from this thread that a lot of posters have been ignoring or keeping quiet about the way dittany behaves because they felt they alone were targeted or they alone though it was inappropriate.

I know this is a personal comment towards dittany. It can't not be. Sorry, but it matters. I really don't want us to go back to ignoring her when she rides roughshod over everyone else.

Milly, sorry, I've had a look back through the last page and I'm not seeing your question - would you mind saying it again? I'm interested in women and heresy too.

It was the last paragraph of my 18.40 post. It is a bit longwinded.

I was basically asking how many women were killed for being heretics, and if was considered preferable to accuse them of witchcraft, because heresy might be considered to be a crime requiring intellect, and it would undermine the idea that women weren't intellectual if lots of them were killed for heresy.

I have no knowledge of the topic.

Thanks for that Milly - I think that might well be true about heresy being associated with men, though I've not seen it explicitly stated. You certainly do find women heretics executed and women seem to be very keen on Lollardy, which is the distinctively English heresy that developed in the late Middle Ages. The Lollards believed that the religious texts should be translated into English (so everyone could understand them), and that people could be their own priests - they hugely challenged the Church's authority and women were very prominent Lollards even though it's a man (Wycliffe) who's usually credited with (or blamed for!) starting the movement.

In the period I work in, though, women are quite often accused of heresy and men sometimes accused of witchcraft, so it's perhaps not what you're looking for anway - I think things change in the Early Modern period.

well im ignoring the arguing/disagreeing as im tired of it.
i did post about this several pages ago.
the arguments aside-i can see what dittany has been saying though
and i agree with her.
i havent been able to answer dittany on this as im not knowledable on this.
i think its important though and id like to see another thread
im sure it would be very interesting/

sorry dittany-ive just realised that ive just spoken like youre not here-i appologise.