The Burning Times: fascinating docu on women's power before Christianity

[sakura]

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ANd why women are feared to the extent that they are accused of witchcraft and killed for it

[AyeRobot]

Heh at the idea that christianity isn't based on misogyny. For all the reasons given by dittany and sAf. And Mary didn't even get a decent shag out of God in order to conceive Jesus.

[InmaculadaConcepcion]

Did someone call?

[AyeRobot]

hahahaha

Actually, the more I think of it, the more disgusting that message becomes. Not you, IC, of course. If they didn't want PIV to be involved in the story, they could at least have added in a bit of clitoral stimulation.



In relation to the earlier stuff on this thread, I have read it all in one go and am, quite frankly, bemused by the whole thing. It's often the way on long threads - they read differently in one sitting as opposed to in the heat of the moment. Anyway, I have splinters in my arse because I understand where both dittany and LRD are coming from. Integrity of the information is important, yet how can throwing the baby out with the bathwater help discussion of feminist topics?

I really want to learn more about witches, so I hope that once this thread is full someone starts a new thread. If no-one else does, I will. I did know something about the witch trials as a youngster, but I don't remember how. I did live near Maningtree for a time, so learnt a lot then, especially because Matthew Hopkins was born in the next village along. And I was part of a trick-playing when Most Haunted vsited the area.

[InmaculadaConcepcion]

Yes, the witches phenomenon is fascinating. As well as upsetting and horrifying. And the part-pagan, part-feminist attempt to reclaim the witch idea in positive terms is also intriguing. I read a fair bit about that while at university.

Also I recommend Vinegar Tom by Caryl Churchill as a great play for anyone interested in the witch trials. It's written from a feminist point of view and I remember finding it a very powerful and engaging piece of work when I saw it performed by a student group back in the late '80s.

[AyeRobot]

I really did live near Manningtree, I just had a brain fart spelling wise.

I was having a look (prompted by this thead) for trials that happened where my ancestors lived as I have an interest in genealogy. Nothing. And not because the weren't recorded. They just didn't happen. Or maybe they did and they weren't recorded. Hmmm.....

Great play suggestion, IC. I'm going to bring that up for consideration at my next Am Dram meeting.

[Tyr]

Oh dear......
At this stage, it would have been interesting to have had some contribution from Christian MN?ers; I?m sure there are some.
I appreciated some of the posts of MillyR, Garlicbutter and Sieglinde. While I may not have agreed with all the points made, I was at least given cause for thought and at least one book I intend to add to my collection.
Some of the other posts, not least the last bunch, would not look out of place on the walls of a public lavatory.

[sieglinde]

Hi, AyeRobot. Have you read Malcolm Gaskill's book on Matthew Hopkins? Or the 1579 trial pamphlet, which is located around St Osyth? Could dig up the title if you'd like. Rather oddly, Manningtree was a hub for the coal trade from Newcastle in those times, not the middle of nowhere, but more like Aberdeen.

Tyr, thanks for those kind words. Love your name.