'Man-hating feminism'

[MisterDarsey]

There's an article about this in the Times today by Libby Purves, provoked by Lionel Shriver's portrayal of the boy in 'We need to talk about Kevin'

Just thought you'd like to know

I see orsinian has not been back. (wonder why he thinks the women on here could so easily be shut-up)

Thanks though for putting those quotes in context for those of us like me. I knew they were posted on here out of context (as it is an apparent feminism-bashing exercise) but appreciate not having to go and read all those works (actually first finding out where they come from as the poster did not have the courtesy to reference the vast majority of those quotes) and putting them in context myself.

Could someone please tell me what MRA is?

Thank you. As soon as I wrote that it clicked . I fully intend reading the books quoted (and all those recommended on here) but currently I find it difficult to concentrate on my DS's picture books.

While I wait for sleep to return to my life, I really appreciate being on here and learning from all of you.

Oh and another thing about the quote from a novel by Marilyn French is that the character in it who says the famous words is presented as having become disillusioned and bitter about men (she has good reasons for feeling this way - an abusive relationship and her daughter's rape and subsequent treatment).

IIRC the character, Val, says the words to Mira, the main character. Mira feels very uncomfortable with the sentiment expressed and is upset by what her friend says as Mira has two sons. I think Mira says something like 'no they aren't not all of them' - sorry can't check my copy of the book is boxed up due to house renovation.

The scene is really interesting as it examines that whole 'scales from eyes/once you see you can't unsee' element that makes feminism difficult for women. It also highlights the destructiveness of sexual violence from a mother's point of view on her child, herself and her world-view.

But then the poster who quoted the book would know that because they claimed to have a clue understand the contexts of the copy and paste quotes.

Thank you. Will do.

Have bought a copy. (I love Amazon)

concern trolls are so obvious, aren't they? I mean why do they even bother pretending?

Although to be fair most of them do declare that they are 'anti-feminist' or 'countering feminism' on their websites so at least they aren't entirely hiding their misogyny and entitlement behind the euphemism 'male rights activist'.

(That was sarcasm for any lurking MRAs who aren't getting a turn of the group brain cell today.)

'group brain cell'

Isn't it always the way, though, that sexist mundanes can't get their heads round the concept that women are not all the same. What one woman says, does and thinks isn't necessarily what every woman says, does and thinks. Feminists, for instance, do not all agree with each other about everything. Feminists can have huge arguments about particular issues (is it wrong to be a SAHM/like porn/vote Tory) yet, no matter how much they disagree on certain issues, they will agree entirely on others (women are human not 'other', domestic violence is unacceptable, access to contraception/abortion essenstial).
So reading some quotes, in or out of context, by other feminists that I don't agree with isn't somehow enough to frighten me away from feminism andsend me scuttling back to don a pinny and fall at some man's feet begging for forgiveness.

I wish his name wasn't so similar to mine. Without my lens in I thought I had been posting dangerous claptrap in my sleep .

''There are numerous MRA sites listing, on some occasions entire chapters, of quotes from the works of McKinnon/Dworkin/French. Those three managed to set feminism back to the intellectual stoneage; it will take feminism generations to rid itself of the vulnerability caused by those three alone. Simply those three simply thought that feminists would read their work, without thinking for one second that they could have perhaps expressed their theories in a somewhat more subtle form.''

By that you mean presenting it in a more gentle and feminine way so that they don't offend the precious sensibilities of our great masculine overlords?

Bollocks to that. We don't need to apologise for McKinnon et al, we need to get behind what they said. Men have been acting against us for millennia. They have kept us subordinated, they have kept us powerless, they have kept us poor, they have kept us sexually exploited. The McKinnons and Dworkins are merely pointing that out and for their trouble they have been demonised, they have had their names dragged through the mud - by men and unfortunately by women too. It is you and those like you who are setting feminism back, by joining with the men behind the backlash, by denying that we (women) have a right to be angry and to be harsh in our criticism of what men have done to us.